Chapter 5
Participant Plans
The making of the plan
5.1
The central element of the NDIS is that all funding and support will be
dictated by a participant's plan. The plan consists of two principal parts,
the statement of goals and aspirations developed by the
participant, and the statement of participant supports that will
be provided by the scheme in response to the 'participant's support needs,
goals and aspirations, circumstances and informal supports.'[1]
5.2
These two elements are further broken down and described in more detail
through supplementary information provided to the committee by the department.
The information provided also states that the statement of supports will
estimate what supports will be required 'over the expected 12 month life of the
plan'.[2]
5.3
The kind of outcomes for the participant that would be considered as
part of the first element of the plan—the statement of goals and aspirations—could
include:
- wellbeing;
-
independence;
- social, civil and economic participation;
- developing and maintaining relationships; and
- choice and control. [3]
5.4
The agency will then consider information received from the participant
through a self-reporting mechanism, as well as the results of the various
assessments of the needs and requirements of the participant, in the making of
a statement of support. These assessments may include both an assessment of
the functional capacity of the participant and a risk assessment.[4]
5.5
Western Australia Individualised Services commented that the onus on the
individual to develop a 'life plan' is not something that should be expected in
the legislation, instead suggesting that the legislation should be looking at a
narrow description of the plan:
We have a specific point about preparing participants' plans,
and that has been a pretty common theme so far. This is one of the areas that
has generated a lot of response, with lots of people asking, 'But do you have a
life plan that you share with others?' I think this is about the fact that it
has been seen as 'the' life plan of a person, rather than a plan for investment
in the support that will facilitate things that describe social and economic
participation for that person at this particular time in their life stage, and
I think we should discriminate between those in the legislation.[5]
5.6
Carolyn Frohmader from WWDA highlighted the potential difficulties in
expecting someone to develop a life plan but restrict what parts of the plan
would be supported by the NDIS:
I did ask the drafters if, for example, this person doing
their life plan with their life aspirations and goals and they would like to be
a mother, and they are a single woman with a disability, are they allowed to
spend their NDIS money on assisted reproduction? And he nearly died. It was
like, 'No, don't be ridiculous.' And I said, 'Well, why not?' If you ask
somebody to set out their life goals, plans and aspirations and part of that
is, 'I would like to be a mother and I would like to purchase access to the
donor sperm program,' why not?[6]
5.7
ADACAS also commented on whether it was appropriate to expect someone
with a disability to provide a 'life plan' when no-one else in society is
expected to do so as a condition of accessing services:
The bill puts the participant's plan, particularly that
statement of goals and aspirations, right in the very centre of the entire
enterprise. Along with the support plan, it becomes the singular instrument by
which supports are determined, measured, funded and all the rest. The
requirement for this statement is in itself discriminatory. No other group or
individual in our society has to submit a list of life goals and a plan before
getting on with living—neither must they seek permission before the change
their mind about those goals.[7]
5.8
Dr Galbally from the NPWDCC spoke of the huge effect that the
development of a plan that includes aims and aspirations could have on people.
To assist in the management of this change Dr Galbally recommended that DSOs should
be established in the role envisaged by the Productivity Commission in their
report:
[T]he day-to-day planning, coaching, I guess that is a way of
putting it, is most important especially in the early days, but I would imagine
it would remain important for quite a time. To suddenly have the chance to
plan, to dream and to think what you might like to do with your life is going
to be quite new for many people. We have therefore recommended that the role
for the disability support organisations that was in the Productivity
Commission's report be re-raised. This could be a great role for them and a
very important role for the building of capacity of individuals but also of
communities.[8]
5.9
The legislation has an extensive number of principles relating to plans
that underpin plan development. The committee received evidence from carers
organisations that questioned whether the bill's principles relating to the
plan should reflect that the ability to exercise control over their own life is
often facilitated by their families or carers:
Chapter 3, part 2, division 1, 31(g) should be modified so
that it is underpinned by the right of the participant to exercise control over
his or her own life to the maximum extent possible while recognising the
support, assistance and judgement of family may be essential to the development
of plans for some people with a disability.[9]
5.10
The Mental Health Fellowship of North Queensland also emphasised the
important of families or carers being centrally involved with the development
of a participant's plan:
Planners and assessors need to be guided in determining the
plan for the person with a mental illness. They need to be guided by what the
family members and carers are saying. The information I am getting from carers
and family members, particularly through our Cairns carers hub, is that they
are in the dark most of the time.[10]
5.11
Craig Wallace from PWDA expressed concern over the structure of the
scheme, comparing it to the United Kingdom system which allocates funding first
and then the participant sets their goals accordingly:
The draft bill asks that the plans contain a statement about
the goals, objectives and aspirations of the participant. We have a problem
with the language of 'goals'. Many people just want to live ordinary lives.
Some of our members were of the view that the bill was being really
prescriptive around plans. The process as described in the legislation is, one,
a person is assessed as eligible; two, you make the plans; three, lastly, the
funds are allocated. In the UK they actually do it the other way around so that
the person knows the scope of the funding envelope and can then have a
discussion about what the plan looks like, firstly, rather than the agency
doing it.[11]
5.12
Children with Disabilities Australia were strongly of the view that the
making of a plan, particularly in relation to children, should be the role of
the agency and not the individual or their family:
The absolute requirement for all participants to prepare a
statement of goals and aspirations is, thus, very problematic where children
with disability are concerned...Many families would indeed be insulted by the
need to complete such a statement on behalf of their child in order to access
essential supports, and we believe families should not have to do this in order
to access funding. For some families with school-age children, goals and
aspirations will be related to their child's ongoing health issues or their
educational attainment, which are not even the primary role of the NDIS. For
other families, as with many people across the community, the formal setting of
goals is a highly contrived activity. The responsibility for developing a
coherent goal based service plan that is absolutely relevant to the child's
family sits with the NDIS. It is unreasonable to expect participants and
families to present their life and needs in a bureaucratic format. CDA accepts
that there is a need for a service plan in order to activate funding; however,
the relevance and purpose of this additional plan in the scheme's design is
highly questionable. As such, we recommend the removal of this requirement for
participants. [12]
Committee View
5.13
The committee understands that the development of a statement of goals
and aspirations is a useful way of including all of the facets of a person's
life that contribute to their wellbeing. It also provides a long-term
perspective that could inform what supports might be used to realise a
long-term goal. However the long-term perspective does not appear to be
mirrored by the provision of supports, which are to be provided for the '12
month period of the plan'. The question for the committee is whether this
disconnect will have any material effect. The committee is concerned that if a
support is provided to achieve a long term goal such as assisting the
participant to access tertiary education, or long term physical rehabilitation,
this could be reassessed each 12 month period and potentially be stopped if certain
targets were not met. This could have undesirable consequences for the
realistic and long-term pursuit of goals.
Recommendation 19
5.14
The committee recommends that, where support is provided for an
objective that will extend beyond the 12 month life of the plan, the NDIS Rules
make clear that the assessment of the outcome of this support will take the
long-term objectives into account.
Flexibility of the Plan
5.15
The department provided the committee with information on how flexible the
plans will be in practice. This flexibility will be guided by a set of
principles:
The plan will support flexibility in sourcing supports,
regardless of how or by whom the plan is being managed, by:
-
providing information to individuals to support choice during
planning and the implementation of the plan;
-
building the individual’s capacity, where required, to exercise
choice and control;
- ensuring that supports are age and life stage appropriate and
take into account developmental needs, particularly for children;
- recognising that individual needs vary from week to week as part
of normal life and therefore providing flexibility in the quantum and frequency
of all supports purchased over the life of the participant’s plan, as long as
the total value of the plan is not exceeded;
- acknowledging that the basis for determining the level of
supports included in the plan is based on a best estimate at the time the plan
is developed, thus requiring an approach that allows some overs and unders
between relevant funded supports.[13]
5.16
Vivienne Williams from Kids Matters Occupational Therapy commented on
the importance of the plan being reviewed at regular intervals, and that the
responsibility for this should lie with someone other than the participant:
With the plan, I think it is very important that it is
reviewed yearly because things change. I would have concerns that people have a
plan and then for logistical reasons that is their plan and even though it is
written in the legislation that, yes, they have the entitlement to review it, I
think there should be structures in place that it is regularly reviewed and not
just left up to people who may not be aware or able.[14]
5.17
The flexibility of the plan and the ability for it to react quickly was
an issue raised in relation to the management of chronic disease. MS Australia
described the impact that a rapid deterioration of a condition could have on a
person and their family:
It is the nature of the chronic disease and the interplay
between the systems and someone's quality of life. As we said before, the right
services are needed at the right time, so the response to changing plans needs
to be rapid. Also plans need to really be individualised to the participant.
With MS specifically there are hidden symptoms of fatigue and a lack of insight
that can drive a family into breakdown.[15]
5.18
Dr Baker from NDS also highlighted the importance of designing a scheme
with the capacity to react quickly to deal with points of crisis or emergency:
It is a critical function of any disability support system
that is can respond to the unpredictable circumstance; to the emergency; to
things that cannot easily be built in to a person's plan. The bill does give
the capacity for that to happen and for the agency to review a plan at short
notice. Where there needs to be more thought in the legislation is for a new
entrant—someone who needs to become a participant very quickly. The agency
needs the flexibility to be able to fund support for someone who seems eligible
without them having to go through any time-consuming eligibility check.[16]
5.19
Kathryn Hough from Empowering People in Communities in Western Australia
also specifically discussed the issue of having a 21-day period to decide on
whether someone is eligible or not in the context of emergency or crises:
My sense is that when a crisis occurs people need support
immediately. Family may be able to assist or put some interim supports in place
but, in some examples here, if a family member who is the primary carer is
seriously ill they will have to be flown to Perth for medical treatment, and
the response for this needs to be immediate, within hours. Seeking 21 days for
approval could be problematic.[17]
5.20
The department responded specifically to the argument that having to
wait 21 days for a decision on eligibility does not mean that that is the period
that everyone must wait. The bill states that a decision must be made 'within
21 days' and Dr Hartland added:
I would say that this time frame does not mean that you have
to wait 21 days. If someone came to the agency in crisis, the agency would be
able to respond immediately.[18]
Committee View
5.21
The committee shared the view raised by numerous contributors that any
scheme must consider the changing nature of various disabilities, and reflect
the associated needs in the support it provides. The supplementary information
provided to the committee by the department on how the plan will be structured
to manage changing requirements satisfies the committee that the scheme is likely
to be flexible and broad enough to adapt to changing conditions.
Power of the Agency and the CEO in the plan-making process
5.22
The committee received evidence, alluded to in chapter 2, which
questioned the extent of the powers of the agency in general, but particularly in
relation to the participant's plan.
5.23
AFDO described the extent of the powers and what safeguards they
considered should be built in to the systems to prevent misuse of those powers:
There is a lot of power given to the CEO or their delegated
authority in this legislation... They have the power to compel people to get
certain kinds of assessments. They kick-start a person's plan. They have the
power to approve or not approve a person's plan. They have the power to look at
reviews and complaints. So there is a lot of power that is potentially vested in
the one person as a delegated authority. The key thing is to ensure two things:
firstly, that you do not have a situation where it is just one person, or one
delegated authority, in areas where there is going to be some difficulty or
where some careful decisions have to be made. There needs to be an approach
where people can go to a tribunal, or a panel of people, for those decisions to
be made. Secondly, it is about putting back some of the give and take into
allowing people to push back... It is about creating further steps for people to
appeal or to have some say in how this works, making it more collaborative and
making sure that there is more than just one person and that it is a bit more
transparent.[19]
5.24
The Association for Children with a Disability also commented on how to
design the powers of the CEO to achieve the responsible management of public
funds, while ensuring participants have the opportunity to manage an
appropriate level of risk:
It is the way in which the legislation is written—that it is
one person, this CEO, and obviously it is not; it is actually the agency...but it
is really important to have safeguards in place too. It is all about the
balance of what is essentially public funding and the importance of making sure
that that is used effectively, but people definitely have some control and
choice within that. As I said right at the very beginning, it is also about
balancing the sustainability of the scheme. Therefore, it would be a matter of
looking at each instance that you are suggesting, where the CEO has veto or
power, and then recognising whether that is appropriate not. We have said that
it is important that the ownership of the plan sits with the participant—in our
case, that is children and their family.
5.25
The MS Society in WA spoke of the uncertainty and anxiety that the
language in the bill may cause to participants:
Much of the work talks about the CEO being satisfied, it
talks about approved form. Section 48(4) says that the CEO may conduct a review
of the participant's plan at any time. I really need to point out how
unsettling that can be for people for disabilities. The scheme, ironically, is
geared towards providing surety, certainty and peace of mind for the individual
with a disability on a long-term basis rather than the vagaries of the cap
process, which you heard about in the earlier conversations. I am just anxious
that we do not accidentally unsettle people who are very vulnerable with
statements such as those. [20]
5.26
PWDA commented on the extent of the CEO's powers and the need for an
effective appeals system, and an explanation of the circumstances in which the
powers will be exercised:
The CEO has a lot of power under the bill. They can appoint
nominees, specify which individuals can manage their own plans, require people
to pursue compensation, reveal information to other agencies, ask people to
repay funds and intervene in some areas outside the NDIS supports. The
mechanisms for review and appeal need to be clear. These powers in some areas
should be tempered. The reality will be that these powers are delegated—it [does]
not actually mean the CEO, it means a delegate—so how is decision making at the
local level going to happen? How is that delegation going to be exercised? [21]
5.27
The department's evidence to the committee provided the rationale for
the various powers of the CEO throughout the bill. On the general point of
whether too much power in decision making was vested in the hands the agency
the department made the following argument:
While the National Disability Insurance Scheme is intended to
enable people with disability to exercise choice and control in the pursuit of
their goals and the planning and delivery of their supports, it also has to
provide a structure for decisions about the expenditure of a very significant
amount of public funding. The allocation of funding to individuals is
ultimately the responsibility of the Agency CEO. This is a responsibility that
the Agency CEO should exercise in close partnership with people with disability
and their families, carers and on occasion their advocates, but it is
inevitably a decision making power that the Agency CEO has to exercise. The
issue is whether the core decision points for the Agency CEO, and the
associated information gathering powers, should be specified in legislation, or
allowed to be done by the Agency CEO under the general administrative powers
which officers responsible for the expenditure of public funding have available
to them. The Bill reflects the judgement that it is more transparent, and ultimately
protects the rights of people with disability to a greater extent, to have the
powers of the Agency CEO clearly specified. This ensures that where appropriate
the CEO’s exercise of these powers can be scrutinised by external review
bodies. In simple terms, specifying what the CEO is able to do also allows the
law to be clear as to what the CEO is not able to do and therefore provides
important protections to people with disability who are, or want to be,
participants in the scheme.
5.28
David Bowen, the CEO for the agency, responded specifically to concerns
that have been raised throughout the inquiry in relation to the practical
application of the powers of the CEO:
The Bill and the rules speak of the CEO making all decisions
and requesting information. Some commentators are concerned that this suggests
all decisions may be made in Canberra and may even be made personally by the
Agency CEO. This is not the intention, indeed far from it. Clause 202 of the
Bill permits the CEO to delegate powers and functions under the legislation.
There will be delegation of the CEO powers to Agency employees at all launch
sites. The policy is to have all decisions made by employees situated as close
to NDIS participants, prospective participants, carers, nominees, support
providers and other stakeholders as possible.[22]
5.29
The committee also received the draft rules relating to the powers of
the CEO in a variety of circumstances set out in the primary legislation. The
rules set out criteria that the CEO must consider before coming to a decision.
For example the criteria that would help decide whether a participant would be
able to manage their own supports funding or whether this would present an
unreasonable risk to them are:
(a) whether material harm, including
material financial harm, to the participant could result if the participant
were to manage the funding for supports to the extent proposed, taking into
account the nature of the supports identified in the plan;
(b) the vulnerability of the participant to:
(i) severe physical, mental or financial harm; or
(ii) exploitation; or
(iii) undue influence;
(c) the ability of the participant to make decisions;
(d) the capacity of the participant for financial
management;
(e) whether, and the extent to which, any risks could be
mitigated by:
(i) the participant’s informal
support network; or
(ii) any safeguards or strategies
the Agency could put in place through the participant’s plan.
3.9 The safeguards referred to in paragraph 3.8(e)(ii) could
include, for example:
(a) setting a shorter period
before the participant’s plan is reviewed; or
(b) setting out regular contacts
between the Agency and the participant; or
(c) providing funding for supports
(for example, budgeting training) that would assist the participant to manage
their own plan.[23]
5.30
Nicholas Mann from Slater and Gordon lawyers did not see the powers
conferred to the CEO as being exceptional or unusual:
Certainly the powers conferred in this bill are similar to
those that you would find in Comcare. They are perhaps a little stronger than
some of the state legislation, such as the state insurance powers, but I do not
think we see anything new or novel about the powers conferred in this bill.[24]
Committee View
5.31
As discussed in chapter 2 the committee understands the concerns of
submitters who were concerned about the general tone of the legislation and the
apparently heavy handed nature of some of the powers of the CEO and the
consequent implications these could have for the concept of choice and
control. The nature of the NDIS policy and legislation development process,
including the lack of availability of draft Rules due to time constraints, and
commentators not being in receipt of all the information, has led to
perceptions being created that may not be reflective of how the scheme will
operate.
5.32
The information provided to the committee in the form of draft Rules,
operational guidelines and evidence from senior officials from the department
and the agency, has alleviated many of the concerns of the committee. In the
context of the scheme being developed progressively using launch sites, the
government's explicit commitment to learning through the launch process, and
with the statutory review of the bill (clause 208), the committee is content
that the powers of the CEO in the making and operation of the plan are
appropriate.
Definition of reasonable and necessary supports
5.33
Clause 34 of the bill sets out criteria that must be satisfied in order
for the support to be funded. These criteria are as follows:
(a) the
support will assist the participant to pursue the goals, objectives and
aspirations included in the participant’s statement of goals and aspirations;
(b) the
support will assist the participant to undertake activities, so as to
facilitate the participant’s social and economic participation;
(c) the
support represents value for money in that the costs of the support are
reasonable, relative to both the benefits achieved and the cost of alternative
support;
(d) the
support will be, or is likely to be, effective and beneficial for the
participant, having regard to current good practice;
(e) the
funding or provision of the support takes account of what it is reasonable to
expect families, carers, informal networks and the community to provide;
(f) the
support is most appropriately funded or provided through the National
Disability Insurance Scheme, and is not more appropriately funded or provided
through other general systems of service delivery or support services offered
by a person, agency or body, or systems of service delivery or support services
offered:
(i) as part of a universal service
obligation; or
(ii) in
accordance with reasonable adjustments required under a law dealing with
discrimination on the basis of disability;
(g) the
support is not prescribed by the National Disability Insurance Scheme rules as
a support that will not be funded or provided under the National Disability
Insurance Scheme;
(h) the
funding of the support complies with the methods or criteria (if any)
prescribed by the National Disability Insurance Scheme rules for deciding the
reasonable and necessary supports that will be funded under the National
Disability Insurance Scheme.[25]
5.34
Mr Rehn from the RIDBC voiced his concerns over the definition of
'reasonable and necessary supports', particularly around the criteria of value
for money in clause 34(c):
We are a little concerned about the aspects of section 34,
'Reasonable and necessary supports', especially paragraph (c), which includes
an economic rationale with the inclusion of value for money as a determining
factor in assessing 'reasonable and necessary'. This is compounded by the
statement that benefits achieved will be used as an undertaking factor in
assessing value for money. This is extremely contentious from our perspective
and we can foresee many issues arising from that paragraph.[26]
5.35
Novita Children's Services in SA expressed their concern that there
wasn't enough detail in the bill to assess whether or not the definition is
appropriate and would cover the requirement supports:
One of our concerns is that the bill should not be passed
until due consideration of those rules is provided for since in sections 26 and
27 around assessment and also section 34—the definitions of reasonable and
necessary supports—there is quite a reliance on rules to articulate what those
sections actually mean.[27]
With clause 35 concerning reasonable and necessary support
the issue is the same. Until we see the rules we do not know what might be
included and what might be precluded. [28]
5.36
Dr Maree Dyson made an interesting point that switching the two
criterion may have an impact on the decision making when it comes to assessing
the supports that will be funded:
I would reverse the notion of 'reasonable and necessary' to
put 'necessary' as the first consideration. You ask: 'Is the response needed?'
and then you move into discussions about the extent to which the funding and
support is in fact reasonable. I think the emphasis is the wrong way around.
There has to be a focus on outcomes.[29]
Committee View
5.37
The committee has now seen draft rules that prescribe the criteria for
the types of supports that will be provided and/or funded by the agency.[30]
They are comprehensive, and while the committee cannot speak for the submitters
who were concerned about what could constitute a 'reasonable and necessary'
support, the committee is satisfied that the detail provided in the rules responds
to the kinds of concerns raised during the inquiry.
Why does it matter if the participant is overseas?
5.38
Clause 40 of the bill provides for the
suspension of a participant's plan in circumstances where the participant is
absent from Australia beyond what is termed a 'grace period' of 6 weeks. The
draft rules provide detail on various circumstances where this period could be
extended: Clause 40 states:
40 Effect of
temporary absence on plans
(1) A
participant for whom a plan is in effect may be temporarily absent from
Australia for the grace period for the absence without affecting the
participant’s plan.
(2) The grace period for a temporary
absence of a participant is:
(a) 6 weeks beginning when the participant
leaves Australia; or
(b) if
the CEO is satisfied that it is appropriate for the grace period to be longer
than 6 weeks—such longer period as the CEO decides, having regard to the
criteria (if any) prescribed by the National Disability Insurance Scheme rules
for the purposes of this paragraph.
(3) If a
participant for whom a plan is in effect is temporarily absent from Australia
after the end of the grace period for the absence, the participant’s plan is
suspended from the end of the grace period until the participant returns to
Australia.
(4) For
the purposes of this section, a person’s absence from Australia is temporary
if, throughout the absence, the person does not cease to reside in Australia
(within the meaning of paragraph 23(1)(a)).
5.39
The Association for Children with a Disability submitted that this clause
represented an impost by the agency on the lives of people with disabilities:
This is an insurance scheme, not a welfare-to-work scheme.
Why is it any business of the Agency whether the participant is overseas,
provided it is consistent with the plan?[31]
5.40
Bolshy Divas posed the same question: 'should people with disability be
allowed to go on holiday, and should they have to ask permission?'[32]
DANA argued that:
NDIS supports should continue to be available, without CEO
involvement, to people travelling overseas when they are undertaking a
normative activity that does not affect their residency.[33]
5.41
Others, while not necessarily rejecting the provision outright, thought
the period was too short. Service provider Novita Children's Services agreed it
was too short, suggesting an extension of 'at least a further 4 weeks'.[34]
Committee View
5.42
The committee notes that the report already contains residency
requirements for participants. It also requires participants to notify the CEO
if they have a change of circumstances relevant to their participation or their
plan (clause 51). It notes that this provision, while of concern to some
submitters, also has the benefit of allowing the CEO to continue to provide
reasonable and necessary supports reflecting a person's circumstances,
including circumstances involving travel. The committee is pleased to see that
the draft rules explicitly recognise a range of circumstances in which extended
overseas travel may be sought, and that these are to be considered by the CEO
in processes under clause 40 of the bill.
Privacy
5.43
There were some concerns raised in evidence about the privacy provisions
in Chapter 4 of the bill. The Queensland Disability Network commented
generally on the issue by providing an example of when the privacy of people
with disabilities is breached inappropriately, or information is requested by
care givers beyond what is necessary:
With regard to privacy: QDN believes again that this is a
very important window where currently some non-essential information relating
to the person's life is shared with care givers. I can give a personal example
in this instance where I once had a HACC service visiting my house and they
wanted to know what form of contraception I was using. It had no relevance to
wiping the kitchen benches. I think there is a level of intrusion and invasion
into the personal aspects of life for people with disability which has gone on
for too long. Only information which is relevant to support needs to be shared
with those delivering the support.[35]
5.44
The Office of the Australian Information Commissioner commented
specifically on sections of the bill around the interaction between state and federal
laws, proposing that efforts be made to ensure consistency across
jurisdictions:
[I]t appears that the National Disability Insurance Scheme
Launch Transition Agency (NDIS Agency) will be covered by the Privacy Act and
that the Information Privacy Principles will apply to its operations. However,
it is unclear the extent to which other entities participating in the Scheme
will be covered by privacy law. Some non-government organisations may be
covered by State or Territory privacy law where they are contracted by State or
Territory agencies to provide services on behalf of government. Others may not
be covered by privacy law in States where no such legislation exists. Further,
if a participating entity falls within the small business exemption in the
Privacy Act it will not be covered by Commonwealth privacy law. Given the
amount of personal information that will be collected and used under the
Scheme, it will be important to ensure appropriate and consistent coverage of
all participating entities under privacy law.[36]
5.45
The department responded to the concerns of the Commissioner as set out in
their submission with the view that the provisions in the bill were fairly
standard and well tested in various Commonwealth laws:
Dr Hartland: These are reasonably standard provisions in Commonwealth
legislation to protect information that the agency acquires and to allow the
agency owner to share it under limited and transparent conditions. So the rules
on protection and disclosure of information that we have provided to you
outline the circumstances where the agency CEO may disclose information. These
are reasonably standard, I think, for Commonwealth acts. I do not think we have
departed a great deal from other areas. It has an added complexity that it has
to interact with state laws, so it is probably a bit more complex in its
expression than we are when we do it in social security, but—
Ms Wilson: I am a bit surprised that there are concerns from the Privacy
Commissioner, to be honest, because these provisions are pretty well known and
pretty well tested in a range of other Commonwealth laws.[37]
5.46
The committee also noted that departmental officials are scheduled to
meet with the Australian Information Commissioner to discuss the concerns
outlined in his submission.[38]
The committee anticipates that if any amendment to the provisions that ensure
consistency across jurisdictions was required, this would be considered by the
department.
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