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Draft House Minutes

No. 138

Thursday, 15 August 2024

- 9:00:15 AM

 1The House met, at 9 am, pursuant to adjournment. The Speaker (the Honourable M. Dick) took the Chair, made an acknowledgement of country and read Prayers.


- 9:01:09 AM

 2MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE

Message No. 33514 August 2024, from the Senate was reported informing the House that Senator McCarthy had been discharged from attendance on the Joint Standing Committee on the National Capital and External Territories, and Senator Grogan had been appointed a member of the committee.


- 9:03:48 AM

 3SUSPENSION OF STANDING AND SESSIONAL ORDERS MOVED

Mr Dutton (Leader of the Opposition) moved—That so much of the standing and sessional orders be suspended as would prevent the Leader of the Opposition from moving the following motion—That this House:

(1)notes:

(a)that the Government has so far granted almost 3,000 visitor visas to individuals from the Gaza war zone;

(b)that in Question Time yesterday, the Prime Minister claimed that his government has done this under ‘exactly the same arrangements’ as previous offshore refugee and humanitarian visa grants;

(c)this is not true;

(d)that for the Syrian refugee intake, rigorous security checks were conducted prior to arrival in Australia at a number of key visa processing points, which included the collection and checking of biometric data against Australia’s security agencies and those of our international partners, and these checks were supplemented by an interview with Australian departmental officers where claims and identity were assessed;

(e)that these measures have not been undertaken under the Government’s change of policy to grant visitor visas, including to people who have expressed sympathy for the Hamas terrorist organisation; and

(2)therefore requires that the Prime Minister immediately attend the chamber and explain why he misled this House.


Point of order, Ms Claydon. 9:05:36 AM. Mr Dutton 9:05:51 AM. Mr Tehan 9:11:47 AM.
- 9:16:52 AM

Debate ensued.


Ms Steggall 9:16:53 AM. Point of order, Mr Dutton. 9:19:18 AM. Ms Steggall 9:19:38 AM.
- 9:23:47 AM

Ms Collins (Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry) moved—That the debate be adjourned.


- 9:23:50 AM

Question—put.


- 9:24:17 AM

Division 429

The House divided (the Speaker, Mr Dick, in the Chair)—

AYES, 85

Mr Albanese

Ms Daniel

Ms Le

Ms Rishworth

Dr Aly

Ms Doyle

Dr Leigh

Ms Roberts

Dr Ananda-Rajah

Mrs Elliot

Mr Lim

Ms Rowland

Mr Bandt

Ms Fernando

Ms McBain

Ms J Ryan

Mr Bates

Dr Freelander

Ms McBride

Dr M Ryan

Ms Belyea

Dr Garland

Mr Marles

Dr Scamps

Mr Bowen

Mr Georganas

Ms Mascarenhas

Ms Sitou

Mr Burke

Mr Giles

Ms Miller-Frost

Mr Smith*

Mr Burnell

Mr Gorman

Mr B Mitchell

Ms Stanley*

Ms Burney

Mr Gosling

Mr R Mitchell

Ms Steggall

Mr Burns

Dr Haines

Dr Mulino

Ms Swanson

Mr Butler

Mr Hill

Mr Neumann

Ms Templeman

Ms Byrnes

Mr Husic

Mr O’Connor

Mr Thistlethwaite

Dr Chalmers

Mr Jones

Ms O’Neil

Ms Thwaites

Mr Chandler-Mather

Ms Kearney

Ms Payne

Ms Tink

Ms Chaney

Mr Keogh

Mr Perrett

Ms Vamvakinou

Dr Charlton

Mr Khalil

Mrs Phillips

Ms Watson-Brown

Ms Chesters

Ms C King

Ms Plibersek

Mr Watts

Mr Clare

Ms M. M. H. King

Mr Rae

Mr Wilkie

Ms Claydon

Ms Lawrence

Dr Reid

Mr J Wilson

Ms Coker

Mr Laxale

Mr Repacholi

Mr Zappia

Ms Collins

NOES, 53

Mrs Andrews

Mr Goodenough

Mrs McIntosh

Mr Taylor

Mrs Archer

Mr Hamilton

Mrs Marino

Mr Tehan

Ms Bell

Mr Hastie

Mr Ted O’Brien

Mr Thompson

Mr Boyce

Mr Hawke

Mr L O’Brien

Mr van Manen*

Mr Broadbent

Mr Hogan

Mr Pasin

Mr Violi

Mr Buchholz

Mr Howarth

Mr Pearce

Mr Wallace

Mr Caldwell

Mr Joyce

Mr Pike

Ms Ware

Mr Chester

Mr Katter

Mr Pitt

Dr Webster

Mr Coleman

Mr Kennedy

Ms Price

Mr Willcox

Mr Conaghan

Ms Landry

Mr Ramsey*

Mr R Wilson

Mr Dutton

Mr Leeser

Ms Sharkie

Mr Wolahan

Mr Entsch

Ms Ley

Mr Stevens

Mr Wood

Mr Fletcher

Mr McCormack

Mr Sukkar

Mr Young

Dr Gillespie

* Tellers

And so it was resolved in the affirmative.


- 9:34:00 AM

Debate adjourned and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for the next sitting.


- 9:35:00 AM

Mr Dick (Speaker) made a statement on the standing orders.


- 9:36:59 AM

 4Universities Accord (Student Support and Other Measures) Bill 2024

Mr Clare (Minister for Education), pursuant to notice, presented a Bill for an Act to amend the Higher Education Support Act 2003, and for related purposes.

Document

Mr Clare presented an explanatory memorandum to the bill.

Bill read a first time.


- 9:37:27 AM

Mr Clare moved—That the bill be now read a second time.


- 9:54:20 AM

Debate adjourned (Mr Ted O’Brien), and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for the next sitting.


- 9:54:30 AM

 5Better and Fairer Schools (Information Management) Bill 2024

Mr Clare (Minister for Education), pursuant to notice, presented a Bill for an Act to amend the Student Identifiers Act 2014, and for related purposes.

Document

Mr Clare presented an explanatory memorandum to the bill.

Bill read a first time.


- 9:55:05 AM

Mr Clare moved—That the bill be now read a second time.


- 10:02:00 AM

Debate adjourned (Mr Pearce), and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for the next sitting.


- 10:02:25 AM

 6Social Media and Australian Society—Joint Select Committee—REPORT—STATEMENT BY MEMBER

Ms Claydon (Chair) presented the following document:

Social Media and Australian Society—Joint Select CommitteeJoint Select Committee on Social Media and Australian Society—Interim reportReport, August 2024

In accordance with standing order 39(e) the report was made a Parliamentary Paper.


- 10:02:45 AM

Ms Claydon, by leave, made statement in connection with the report.


- 10:05:52 AM

 7Future Made in Australia Bill 2024

The order of the day having been read for the resumption of the debate on the question—That the bill be now read a second time—And on the amendment moved thereto by Mr Taylor, viz.—That all words after “That” be omitted with a view to substituting the following words:

the House declines to give the bill a second reading, and:

(1)notes:

(a)the failure of billions of dollars of the Government’s Future Made in Australia spending to meet the standards and processes laid out in this bill and the significant integrity concerns around these investments;

(b)the Government’s Future Made in Australia policy has been criticised by many eminent economists including the Productivity Commission’s Danielle Wood, former Productivity Commissioner Gary Banks, Australian National University visiting fellow Steven Hamilton, and University of New South Wales’ Professor Richard Holden; and

(c)this policy does not make up for the Government’s failures on economic management that are driving up the costs of manufacturing and have caused a tripling of manufacturing insolvencies since June 2022; and

(2)calls on the Government to get Australia’s economy back on track and back to basics by fighting inflation and reducing wasteful spending, reducing complexity and red tape for business, supporting affordable, reliable energy, and delivering lower, simpler, fairer taxes”—

And on the amendment moved thereto by Dr Haines, viz.—That all words after “House” be omitted with a view to substituting the following words:

“whilst not declining to give the bill a second reading:

(1)notes that:

(a)the 2024-25 Budget allocated $22.7 billion in taxpayer funds to the Future Made in Australia program;

(b)this is the second largest Budget measure announced in this term of Parliament; and

(c)concerns have been raised by the Productivity Commission, the Grattan Institute, the Climate Council of Australia, BP Australia, and the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry that the bill contains inadequate transparency measures to ensure Australians know how their money is being spent on Future Made in Australia supports;

(2)recognises that my Accountability of Grants, Investment Mandates and Use of Public Resources Amendment (End Pork Barrelling) Bill 2024 provides the necessary framework to help ensure the Government’s spending of taxpayer money to deliver the Future Made in Australia plan is transparent and fair; and

(3)calls on the Government to support my Accountability of Grants, Investment Mandates and Use of Public Resources Amendment (End Pork Barrelling) Bill 2024”—

And on the amendment moved thereto by Dr M Ryan, viz.—That all words after “reading” be omitted with a view to substituting the following words:

“notes that:

(1)the Future Made in Australia National Interest framework should be configured as the foundational reference for Australia’s industry policy;

(2)a robust governance structure for the framework must be ensured;

(3)clear criteria for national funding in the national interest should be established; and

(4)there should be periodic, independent reviews to ensure that industry policy remains effective and relevant

Debate resumed.


Ms Daniel 10:07:17 AM. Dr Mulino 10:20:47 AM. Mr van Manen 10:35:57 AM. Ms McBride 10:50:58 AM. Mrs Marino 10:59:48 AM. Ms Templeman 11:14:49 AM. Mr Pasin 11:29:12 AM. Ms Thwaites 11:44:25 AM. Ms Price 11:55:46 AM. Ms Byrnes 12:10:54 PM. Mr Pike 12:21:28 PM. Mr Smith 12:36:32 PM. Mr Hamilton 12:47:00 PM. Mr Gorman 1:02:07 PM.
- 1:17:14 PM

Mr Ramsey addressing the House—


- 1:30:00 PM

It being 1.30 pm, the debate was interrupted in accordance with standing order 43Mr Ramsey was granted leave to continue his speech when the debate is resumed, and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for a later hour this day.


- 1:30:13 PM

 8MEMBERS’ STATEMENTS

Members’ statements being made


Mr Howarth 1:30:16 PM. Ms Stanley 1:31:45 PM. Ms Price 1:33:09 PM.
- 1:33:15 PM

Petition

Ms Price presented the following petition approved by the Standing Committee on Petitions:

Minimum standards for train lighting—6,600 petitioners.


- 1:34:42 PM

Members’ statements continued.


Mr Smith 1:34:42 PM. Ms Daniel 1:36:05 PM. Mr Laxale 1:37:23 PM. Dr M Ryan 1:38:50 PM. Mr Zappia 1:40:05 PM. Mr Hamilton 1:41:29 PM. Mr Lim 1:42:58 PM. Mr Stevens 1:44:29 PM. Dr Reid 1:46:07 PM. Mr Sukkar 1:47:28 PM. Ms Lawrence 1:49:03 PM. Mr Taylor 1:50:36 PM. Ms Sitou 1:52:08 PM. Mr Tehan 1:53:41 PM. Mr Burns 1:55:12 PM. Mr Joyce 1:56:42 PM. Dr Charlton 1:58:16 PM.
- 1:59:56 PM

 9QUESTIONS


- 2:00:00 PM

 (1)Mr Tehan to Mr Burke (Minister for Immigration and Multicultural Affairs)


- 2:01:05 PM

 (2)Dr Reid to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)


- 2:04:24 PM

 (3)Mr Dutton to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)


- 2:05:23 PM

Member directed to leave

At 2.05 pm the Member for Fisher (Mr Wallace) was directed, under standing order 94, to leave the Chamber for one hour for interjecting and he accordingly left the Chamber.


- 2:05:33 PM

Questions without notice continuing—


Mr Albanese 2:05:39 PM.
- 2:07:37 PM

 (4)Ms Belyea to Dr Chalmers (Treasurer)


- 2:10:58 PM

 (5)Mr Katter to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)


- 2:14:57 PM

 (6)Ms Roberts to Ms M. M. H. King (Minister for Resources)


- 2:18:28 PM

 (7)Ms Ley to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)


Point of order, Mr Dutton. 2:21:44 PM. Point of order, Mr Burke. 2:22:53 PM. Mr Albanese 2:23:32 PM. Point of order, Mr Dutton. 2:24:37 PM.
- 2:26:00 PM

 (8)Mr Smith to Mr Burke (Minister representing the Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations)


- 2:29:33 PM

Distinguished visitor announced.


- 2:30:10 PM

 (9)Mr McCormack to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)


Point of order, Mr Tehan. 2:32:43 PM. Point of order, Mr Burke. 2:32:58 PM. Mr Albanese 2:33:24 PM. Point of order, Mr Dutton. 2:35:26 PM. Point of order, Mr Burke. 2:36:33 PM. Point of order, Mr Dutton. 2:37:29 PM. Point of order, Ms Steggall. 2:38:04 PM.
- 2:39:49 PM

 (10)Mr Burns to Mr Clare (Minister for Education)


- 2:42:57 PM

Suspension of standing and sessional orders moved

Mr Dutton (Leader of the Opposition) having moved a motion to suspend standing and sessional orders—


- 2:43:35 PM

Mr Burke (Leader of the House) required that, in accordance with standing order 47(e), further proceedings take place after the discussion of a matter of public importance.


- 2:43:46 PM

Questions without notice continuing—


- 2:43:45 PM

 (11)Mr Rae to Dr Aly (Minister for Early Childhood Education)


- 2:46:57 PM

 (12)Mr Gee to Mr Burke (Minister for Immigration and Multicultural Affairs)


- 2:48:42 PM

 (13)Mrs Phillips to Mr Butler (Minister for Health and Aged Care)


- 2:52:10 PM

 (14)Mr Leeser to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)


Point of order, Mr Leeser. 2:54:55 PM.
- 2:56:37 PM

 (15)Mr Perrett to Ms Rishworth (Minister for Social Services)


- 2:59:59 PM

 (16)Mr Wilkie to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)


- 3:03:27 PM

 (17)Mr B Mitchell to Ms C King (Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government)


- 3:06:42 PM

 (18)Mr Tehan to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)


- 3:08:14 PM

 (19)Dr Freelander to Ms McBain (Minister for Regional Development, Local Government and Territories)


- 3:11:45 PM

 (20)Ms Ware to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)


Point of order, Mr Dutton. 3:14:24 PM. Point of order, Mr Burke. 3:14:57 PM. Mr Albanese 3:15:52 PM.
- 3:17:39 PM

 (21)Ms Coker to Mr Bowen (Minister for Climate Change and Energy)


- 3:20:13 PM

Document

Mr Bowen (Minister for Climate Change and Energy) presented the following document:

Ted O'Brien sets out long-term plan for uranium-enrichment industry—The Australian—Joe Kelly, 31 July 2024.


- 3:20:15 PM

Questions without notice continuing—


Point of order, Mr Fletcher. 3:20:22 PM. Point of order, Mr Burke. 3:20:29 PM.
- 3:21:00 PM

Document

Mr Bowen presented the following document:

IPA Adelaide speech: Australia’s energy future—Speech, Ted O’Brien MP, Shadow Minister for Climate Change and Energy, 1 August 2024.


- 3:21:05 PM

Questions without notice continued.


- 3:21:45 PM

 (22)Mr Caldwell to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)


Point of order, Mr Fletcher. 3:25:18 PM. Point of order, Mr Butler. 3:25:46 PM. Mr Albanese 3:26:24 PM.
- 3:26:33 PM

 (23)Mr Laxale to Ms Plibersek (Minister for the Environment and Water)


- 3:30:21 PM

Question to SpeakerMr Butlerre conduct in question time.


- 3:32:34 PM

Question to SpeakerMs Leyre point of orders.


- 3:33:23 PM

Personal explanation, Mr Dutton.


- 3:34:59 PM

Personal explanation, Mr Boyce.


- 3:36:34 PM

 10DISCUSSION OF MATTER OF PUBLIC IMPORTANCE—Safety and Inflation

The House was informed that Mr Dutton (Leader of the Opposition), had proposed that a definite matter of public importance be submitted to the House for discussion, namely, “This Government’s incompetence and inability to keep Australians safe and keep inflation and costs of living under control”.


- 3:36:37 PM

The proposed discussion having received the necessary support—


- 3:36:43 PM

Mr Dutton addressed the House.


- 3:46:53 PM

Discussion ensued.


Mr Gorman 3:46:54 PM. Mr Tehan 3:57:18 PM. Mr Gosling 4:02:27 PM. Mr McCormack 4:07:29 PM. Ms Lawrence 4:12:36 PM. Ms Ware 4:17:38 PM. Mr Khalil 4:22:46 PM.
- 4:27:53 PM

Mr van Manen addressing the House—


- 4:30:09 PM

 11ADJOURNMENT

It being 4.30 pm—The question was proposed—That the House do now adjourn.

Debate ensued.


Mr Bates 4:30:11 PM. Ms Byrnes 4:34:45 PM. Mr Pitt 4:39:40 PM. Mr Burns 4:44:44 PM. Mr Vasta 4:49:52 PM. Mr Burnell 4:54:42 PM.
- 4:59:26 PM

The House continuing to sit until 5 pm—The Speaker adjourned the House until 10 am on Monday, 19 August 2024.


- 4:59:51 PM

DOCUMENTS 

 The following documents were deemed to have been presented on 15 August 2024 (An explanatory statement has been presented with each instrument unless otherwise indicated by an asterisk)

Currency Act 1965—Currency (Australian Coins) Amendment (2024 Royal Australian Mint No. 8) Determination 2024 [F2024L00993]. 

Defence Act 1903—Defence Regulation 2016—Defence (Shoalwater Bay—Defence Area) Declaration 2024 [F2024L00990]. 

Industry Research and Development Act 1986—Industry Research and Development (AustraliaUnited States Partnership in Landsat Next Program) Instrument 2024 [F2024L00991]. 

Road Vehicle Standards Act 2018—Road Vehicle Standards Amendment (2023 Measures No. 1) Rules 2023 [F2024L00086]—Replacement explanatory statement. 

Sydney Airport Curfew Act 1995—Dispensation Report—11/24. 

Water Act 2007—Water (Indigenous Values and Uses) Repeal Direction 2024 [F2024L00992]. 

 


- 4:59:53 PM

ATTENDANCE

All Members attended (at some time during the sitting) except Mr BirrellMs McKenzieMs Scrymgour and Ms Wells.