Parliament of Australia

Draft Minutes

No. 157

Thursday, 21 November 2024

- 9:00:10 AM

1The House met, at 9 am, pursuant to adjournment. The Speaker (the Honourable M. Dick) took the Chair, made an acknowledgement of country and read Prayers.

- 9:01:12 AM

2Migration Amendment (Prohibiting Items in Immigration Detention Facilities) Bill 2024

Mr Burke (Minister for Immigration and Multicultural Affairs), pursuant to notice, presented a Bill for an Act to amend the Migration Act 1958, and for related purposes.

Document

Mr Burke presented an explanatory memorandum to the bill.

Bill read a first time.

- 9:01:43 AM

Mr Burke moved—That the bill be now read a second time.

- 9:06:27 AM

Debate adjourned (Mr McCormack), and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for the next sitting.

- 9:06:43 AM

3Health Legislation Amendment (Modernising My Health Record—Sharing by Default) Bill 2024

Mr Butler (Minister for Health and Aged Care), pursuant to notice, presented a Bill for an Act to amend the law relating to electronic health records and medicare benefits, and for other purposes.

Document

Mr Butler presented an explanatory memorandum to the bill.

Bill read a first time.

- 9:07:20 AM

Mr Butler moved—That the bill be now read a second time.

- 9:19:36 AM

Debate adjourned (Mr Hastie), and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for the next sitting.

- 9:19:41 AM

4Aged Care (Consequential and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2024

Ms Wells (Minister for Aged Care), pursuant to notice, presented a Bill for an Act to deal with consequential and transitional matters arising from the enactment of the Aged Care Act 2024, and for related purposes.

Document

Ms Wells presented an explanatory memorandum to the bill.

Bill read a first time.

- 9:20:18 AM

Ms Wells moved—That the bill be now read a second time.

- 9:24:59 AM

Debate adjourned (Mr Hastie), and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for the next sitting.

- 9:25:21 AM

5Online Safety Amendment (Social Media Minimum Age) Bill 2024

Ms Rowland (Minister for Communications), pursuant to notice, presented a Bill for an Act to amend the Online Safety Act 2021, and for related purposes.

Document

Ms Rowland presented an explanatory memorandum to the bill.

Bill read a first time.

- 9:25:50 AM

Ms Rowland moved—That the bill be now read a second time.

- 9:43:04 AM

Debate adjourned (Mr Hastie), and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for the next sitting.

- 9:43:27 AM

6Parliamentary Zone—Senator Neville Bonner AO commemorative sculpture and associated works—Approval of Proposal

Ms McBain (Minister for Regional Development, Local Government and Territories), pursuant to notice, moved—That, in accordance with section 5 of the Parliament Act 1974, the House approve the following proposal for work in the Parliamentary Zone which was presented to the House on 6 November 2024, namely: Senator Neville Bonner AO commemorative sculpture and associated works.

- 9:45:23 AM

Question—put and passed.

- 9:45:35 AM

7Department of Defence—Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Storage Program Tranche 2—APPROVAL OF WORK

Dr Leigh (Assistant Minister for Competition, Charities and Treasury), pursuant to notice, moved—That, in accordance with the provisions of the Public Works Committee Act 1969, it is expedient to carry out the following proposed work which was referred to the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Public Works and on which the committee has duly reported to Parliament: Department of Defence—Guided Weapons and Explosive Ordnance Storage Program Tranche 2.

- 9:47:59 AM

Question—put and passed.

- 9:48:09 AM

8Department of Defence—Explosive Ordnance Facilities Northern NSW Redevelopment project—APPROVAL OF WORK

Dr Leigh (Assistant Minister for Competition, Charities and Treasury), pursuant to notice, moved—That, in accordance with the provisions of the Public Works Committee Act 1969, it is expedient to carry out the following proposed work which was referred to the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Public Works and on which the committee has duly reported to Parliament: Department of Defence—Explosive Ordnance Facilities Northern NSW Redevelopment project.

- 9:50:46 AM

Question—put and passed.

- 9:50:56 AM

9Health Insurance (Extended Medicare Safety Net) Amendment (Indexation) Determination 2024

Ms Rishworth (Minister for Social Services), for Mr Butler (Minister for Health and Aged Care), pursuant to notice, moved—That, in accordance with section 10B of the Health Insurance Act 1973, the House approve the Health Insurance (Extended Medicare Safety Net) Amendment (Indexation) Determination 2024 made on 12 November 2024 and presented to the House on 18 November 2024.

- 9:51:35 AM

Question—put and passed.

- 9:52:14 AM

10National Disability Insurance Scheme—Joint Standing Committee—REPORT—STATEMENT BY MEMBER

Ms Coker (Chair) presented the following document:

National Disability Insurance Scheme—Joint Standing Committee—General issues—Annual report No. 2 of the 47th Parliament—Report, incorporating a dissenting report, November 2024.

In accordance with standing order 39(e) the report was made a Parliamentary Paper.

- 9:52:38 AM

Ms Coker, by leave, made a statement in connection with the report.

- 9:57:28 AM

11Treasury Laws Amendment (Mergers and Acquisitions Reform) Bill 2024—REPORT FROM FEDERATION CHAMBER

The Deputy Speaker reported that the Federation Chamber had been unable to complete its consideration of the bill and had returned the bill with an unresolved question (see item No. 7, Minutes of Proceedings of the Federation Chamber, 20 November 2024), and presented a certified copy of the bill together with a schedule of the unresolved question.

- 9:57:53 AM

Unresolved question—That the amendment be agreed to—

- 9:58:08 AM

Question—put.

- 9:58:43 AM

Division 504

The House divided (the Speaker, Mr Dick, in the Chair)—

AYES, 57

Mrs Andrews	Mr Fletcher	Mr McCormack	Mr Taylor
Mrs Archer	Dr Gillespie	Mrs McIntosh	Mr Tehan
Ms Bell	Mr Goodenough	Mrs Marino	Mr Thompson
Mr Birrell	Dr Haines	Mr Ted O’Brien	Mr van Manen
Mr Boyce	Mr Hamilton	Mr Pearce	Mr Vasta
Mr Broadbent	Mr Hastie	Mr Pike	Mr Violi
Mr Caldwell	Mr Hawke	Mr Pitt	Mr Wallace
Ms Chaney	Mr Hogan	Ms Price	Ms Ware
Mr Chester	Mr Howarth	Mr Ramsey*	Dr Webster
Mr Coleman	Mr Joyce	Dr M Ryan	Mr Willcox
Mr Conaghan	Mr Kennedy	Ms Spender	Mr R Wilson
Mr Coulton*	Ms Landry	Ms Steggall	Mr Wolahan
Ms Daniel	Ms Ley	Mr Stevens	Mr Wood
Mr Dutton	Mr Littleproud	Mr Sukkar	Mr Young
Mr Entsch

NOES, 77

Dr Aly	Mr Dreyfus	Dr Leigh	Mr Repacholi
Dr Ananda-Rajah	Mrs Elliot	Mr Lim	Ms Rishworth
Mr Bandt	Ms Fernando	Ms McBain	Ms Roberts
Mr Bates	Dr Freelander	Ms McBride	Ms Rowland
Ms Belyea	Dr Garland	Mr Marles	Ms J Ryan
Mr Burke	Mr Georganas	Ms Mascarenhas	Mr Shorten
Mr Burnell	Mr Giles	Ms Miller-Frost	Ms Sitou
Ms Burney	Mr Gorman	Mr B Mitchell	Mr Smith*
Mr Burns	Mr Gosling	Mr R Mitchell	Ms Stanley*
Mr Butler	Mr Hill	Dr Mulino	Ms Swanson
Ms Byrnes	Mr Husic	Mr Neumann	Ms Templeman
Dr Chalmers	Mr Jones	Mr O’Connor	Ms Thwaites
Mr Chandler-Mather	Ms Kearney	Ms O’Neil	Ms Vamvakinou
Dr Charlton	Mr Keogh	Ms Payne	Ms Watson-Brown
Ms Chesters	Mr Khalil	Mr Perrett	Mr Watts
Mr Clare	Ms C King	Mrs Phillips	Ms Wells
Ms Claydon	Ms M. M. H. King	Ms Plibersek	Mr Wilkie
Ms Coker	Ms Lawrence	Mr Rae	Mr J Wilson
Ms Collins	Mr Laxale	Dr Reid	Mr Zappia
Ms Doyle

* Tellers

And so it was negatived.

- 10:06:39 AM

Question—That the bill be now read a second time—put and passed—bill read a second time.

- 10:07:05 AM

Consideration in detail

Bill, by leave, taken as a whole.

- 10:07:34 AM

Ms Chaney, by leave, moved amendments (1) and (2), on the sheet revised 20 November 2024, together.

Debate ensued.

Dr Leigh, 10:10:49 AM.

- 10:15:52 AM

Amendments negatived.

- 10:16:14 AM

Bill agreed to.

Consideration in detail concluded.

- 10:16:36 AM

On the motion of Dr Leigh (Assistant Minister for Competition, Charities and Treasury), by leave, the bill was read a third time.

- 10:17:21 AM

12Oversight Legislation Amendment (Robodebt Royal Commission Response and Other Measures) Bill 2024—REPORT FROM FEDERATION CHAMBER

The Deputy Speaker reported that the bill had been fully considered by the Federation Chamber and agreed to without amendment, and presented a certified copy of the bill.

Bill agreed to.

- 10:18:02 AM

On the motion of Mr Thistlethwaite (Assistant Minister for Immigration), by leave, the bill was read a third time.

- 10:18:30 AM

13Free TAFE Bill 2024

The order of the day having been read for the resumption of the debate on the question—That the bill be now read a second time—And on the amendment moved thereto by Mr Bandt, viz.—That all words after “That” be omitted with a view to substituting the following words:

“whilst not declining to give the bill a second reading, the House:

(1)notes that if the Government can legislate its promises on Fee-Free TAFE right now, it can also legislate to wipe student debt; and

(2)calls on the Government to legislate its promise to wipe 20 per cent of student debt and raise the repayment threshold now, not wait for an election”—

Debate resumed.

- 10:19:47 AM

Quorum called, Mr Chester.

- 10:22:38 AM

Quorum formed.

Ms Le, 10:22:53 AM. Mr Khalil, 10:33:58 AM. Mr Violi, 10:47:59 AM. Ms Claydon, 11:03:02 AM. Mr Chester, 11:18:08 AM. Ms Fernando, 11:33:09 AM. Mr Birrell, 11:44:51 AM. Ms Coker, 11:59:40 AM. Mr Willcox, 12:10:22 PM. Mr O’Connor, 12:23:07 PM. Mr Pike, 12:38:14 PM.

- 12:53:24 PM

Debate adjourned (Mr Giles—Minister for Skills and Training), and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for a later hour this day.

- 12:53:56 PM

14Surveillance Legislation (Confirmation of Application) Bill 2024

Mr Dreyfus (Attorney-General), by leave, presented a Bill for an Act to confirm the application of surveillance device and related legislation, and for related purposes.

Document

Mr Dreyfus presented an explanatory memorandum to the bill.

Bill read a first time.

- 12:54:35 PM

Mr Dreyfus moved—That the bill be now read a second time.

- 12:57:50 PM

Debate adjourned (Mr Joyce), and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for the next sitting.

- 12:58:23 PM

15Customs Amendment (ASEAN-Australia-New Zealand Free Trade Area Second Protocol Implementation and Other Measures) Bill 2024—REPORT FROM FEDERATION CHAMBER

The Second Deputy Speaker reported that the bill had been fully considered by the Federation Chamber and agreed to without amendment, and presented a certified copy of the bill.

Bill agreed to.

- 12:59:09 PM

On the motion of Mr Giles (Minister for Skills and Training), by leave, the bill was read a third time.

- 12:59:27 PM

16Navigation Amendment Bill 2024—REPORT FROM FEDERATION CHAMBER

The Second Deputy Speaker reported that the bill had been fully considered by the Federation Chamber and agreed to without amendment, and presented a certified copy of the bill.

Bill agreed to.

- 12:59:48 PM

On the motion of Mr Giles (Minister for Skills and Training), by leave, the bill was read a third time.

- 1:00:28 PM

17Free TAFE Bill 2024

The order of the day having been read for the resumption of the debate on the question—That the bill be now read a second time—And on the amendment moved thereto by Mr Bandt (see item No. 13, page XX)—

Debate resumed.

Ms Byrnes, 1:00:39 PM. Mr van Manen, 1:11:27 PM.

- 1:25:52 PM

Ms J Ryan addressing the House—

- 1:29:44 PM

It being 1.30 pm, the debate was interrupted in accordance with standing order 43, Ms J Ryan was granted leave to continue her speech when the debate is resumed, and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for a later hour this day.

- 1:29:56 PM

18MEMBERS’ STATEMENTS

Members’ statements were made.

Mr Buchholz, 1:29:59 PM. Ms Mascarenhas, 1:31:32 PM. Mr Broadbent, 1:33:08 PM. Ms Roberts, 1:34:30 PM. Ms Steggall, 1:36:01 PM. Mr Gosling, 1:37:33 PM. Ms Sharkie, 1:39:05 PM. Ms Lawrence, 1:40:29 PM. Mr Coulton, 1:42:07 PM. Mr Burnell, 1:43:46 PM. Mr Coleman, 1:45:02 PM. Mr Repacholi, 1:46:36 PM. Mr Conaghan, 1:48:07 PM. Ms Fernando, 1:49:41 PM. Mr Caldwell, 1:51:05 PM. Mr Laxale, 1:52:30 PM. Mr Hastie, 1:54:04 PM. Dr Charlton, 1:55:38 PM. Mr Fletcher, 1:57:11 PM. Mr Perrett, 1:58:45 PM.

- 2:00:38 PM

19QUESTIONS

- 2:00:42 PM

(1)Mr Dutton to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

Point of order, Mr Dutton. 2:02:40 PM. Point of order, Mr Burke. 2:03:46 PM. Mr Albanese, 2:04:22 PM.

- 2:06:16 PM

(2)Ms Roberts to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

- 2:09:41 PM

(3)Mr Taylor to Dr Chalmers (Treasurer)

Point of order, Mr Taylor. 2:11:58 PM.

- 2:12:16 PM

Member directed to leave

At 2.12 pm the Member for Macarthur (Dr Freelander) was directed, under standing order 94, to leave the Chamber for one hour for interjecting and he accordingly left the Chamber.

- 2:12:27 PM

Questions without notice continued.

Dr Chalmers, 2:13:24 PM.

- 2:15:23 PM

(4)Mr Burnell to Ms Rowland (Minister for Communications)

- 2:18:49 PM

Mr Coleman, by indulgence, made a statement in support of the previous answer.

- 2:19:58 PM

Distinguished visitor announced.

- 2:20:44 PM

(5)Ms Steggall to Dr Chalmers (Treasurer)

- 2:21:48 PM

(6)Mr Rae to Mr Clare (Minister for Education)

- 2:25:13 PM

(7)Mr Taylor to Dr Chalmers (Treasurer)

- 2:28:45 PM

(8)Mr Khalil to Dr Chalmers (Treasurer)

- 2:31:58 PM

(9)Mr Taylor to Dr Chalmers (Treasurer)

- 2:34:39 PM

(10)Ms Swanson to Mr Marles (Deputy Prime Minister)

- 2:38:11 PM

(11)Mr Taylor to Dr Chalmers (Treasurer)

- 2:40:38 PM

(12)Ms Templeman to Ms O’Neil (Minister for Housing)

- 2:44:08 PM

(13)Dr Haines to Ms Wells (Minister for Aged Care)

- 2:47:29 PM

(14)Dr Charlton to Dr Aly (Minister for Early Childhood Education)

- 2:50:53 PM

(15)Mr Taylor to Dr Chalmers (Treasurer)

- 2:54:20 PM

(16)Ms Byrnes to Mr Butler (Minister for Health and Aged Care)

- 2:57:42 PM

(17)Mr Wilkie to Dr Chalmers (Treasurer)

Point of order, Mr Joyce. 3:00:30 PM. Dr Chalmers, 3:01:06 PM.

- 3:02:16 PM

(18)Ms Stanley to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

- 3:05:59 PM

Mr Albanese (Prime Minister), by indulgence, made a statement on the death of Bianca Jones.

- 3:07:28 PM

Ms Daniel, by indulgence, made a statement on the same matter.

- 3:09:08 PM

Mr Dutton, by indulgence, made a statement on the same matter.

- 3:10:50 PM

Distinguished visitor announced.

- 3:11:05 PM

20BILL SHORTEN RETIREMENT—STATEMENTS

Mr Shorten (Minister for the National Disability Insurance Scheme), by indulgence, made a statement in relation to his retirement, and presented the following document:

Bill Shorten MP—Staff 2007-2024.

- 3:49:39 PM

Mr Albanese (Prime Minister) and Mr Dutton (Leader of the Opposition), by indulgence, also made statements on the matter.

- 4:03:32 PM

21DISCUSSION OF MATTER OF PUBLIC IMPORTANCE—Housing

The House was informed that Mr Sukkar had proposed that a definite matter of public importance be submitted to the House for discussion, namely, “The housing crisis which is putting the Australian dream at risk”.

- 4:03:47 PM

The proposed discussion having received the necessary support—

- 4:03:48 PM

Mr Sukkar addressed the House.

- 4:14:00 PM

Discussion ensued.

Dr Leigh, 4:14:02 PM. Ms Ware, 4:24:01 PM.

- 4:29:10 PM

22ADJOURNMENT

It being 4.30 pm—The question was proposed—That the House do now adjourn.

Debate ensued.

Ms Steggall, 4:29:16 PM. Mr R Mitchell, 4:34:30 PM. Mr Pike, 4:39:44 PM. Dr Mulino, 4:44:42 PM. Mr Willcox, 4:49:47 PM. Mr Neumann, 4:54:51 PM.

- 4:59:59 PM

The House continuing to sit until 5 pm—The Speaker adjourned the House until 10 am on Monday, 25 November 2024.

- 5:00:22 PM

DOCUMENTS

The following documents were deemed to have been presented on 21 November 2024 (An explanatory statement has been presented with each instrument unless otherwise indicated by an asterisk):

Carbon Credits (Carbon Farming Initiative) Act 2011—Carbon Credits (Carbon Farming Initiative) (Reforestation by Environmental or Mallee Plantings—FullCAM) Methodology Determination 2024 [F2024L01473].

Civil Aviation Act 1988—Civil Aviation Safety Regulations 1998—

Transitional Training and Checking Requirements for Crew Members in Part 133 Operations—Exemption Instrument 2024—CASA EX77/24 [F2024L01474].

Transitional Training and Checking Requirements for Crew Members in Part 135 Operations—Exemption Instrument 2024—CASA EX78/24 [F2024L01475].

Transitional Training and Checking Requirements for Crew Members in Part 138 Operations—Exemption Instrument 2024—CASA EX79/24 [F2024L01476].

Greenhouse and Energy Minimum Standards Act 2012—Greenhouse and Energy Minimum Standards (Exemption) Instrument (No. 3) 2024 [F2024L01470].

Health Insurance Act 1973—Health Insurance (Section 3C General Medical Services—General Practice Attendance for Assessing Patient Suitability for a COVID-19 Vaccine) Amendment (No. 1) Determination 2024 [F2024L01469].

Income Tax (Transitional Provisions) Act 1997—Income Tax (Transitional Provisions) (Permanent Incapacity Benefits) Amendment Rules 2024 [F2024L01471].

- 5:00:45 PM

ATTENDANCE

All Members attended (at some time during the sitting) except Mr Bowen, Mr Conroy, Mr Katter, Mr Leeser, Ms McKenzie, Mr L O’Brien, Mr Pasin and Ms Scrymgour.

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