Appendix 2Public hearing
Monday, 21 August 2023
Senate Committee Room 2S3, Parliament House, Canberra and via videoconference
Professor Andrew Podger, Private capacity
Australia and New Zealand School of Government
Professor Adam Fennessy PSM (via videoconference), Dean and CEO
Community and Public Sector Union
Ms Emma Groube (via videoconference)
Mr Osmond Chiu (via videoconference)
Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet and the Australian Public Service Commission
Commissioner Gordon de Brouwer, APS Commissioner
Dr Rachel Bacon, Deputy Secretary, APS Reform Office
Ms Marianne Dolman, Assistant Secretary, Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet