Parliament of Australia

Draft Minutes

No. 125

Wednesday, 5 June 2024

- 9:00:15 AM

1The House met, at 9 am, pursuant to adjournment. The Speaker (the Honourable M. Dick) took the Chair, made an acknowledgement of country and read Prayers.

- 9:01:08 AM

2Selection Committee

The Speaker presented the following document:

Report No. 26 relating to the consideration of committee and delegation business and private Members’ business on Monday, 24 June 2024.

- 9:01:44 AM

Mr Burke (Leader of the House), by indulgence, made a statement on timing and order of business for the sitting.

- 9:03:03 AM

3Creative Australia Amendment (Implementation of Revive) Bill 2024

Mr Burke (Minister for the Arts), pursuant to notice, presented a Bill for an Act to amend the Creative Australia Act 2023, and for related purposes.

Document

Mr Burke presented an explanatory memorandum to the bill.

Bill read a first time.

- 9:03:16 AM

Mr Burke moved—That the bill be now read a second time.

- 9:09:36 AM

Debate adjourned (Mr Taylor), and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for the next sitting.

- 9:09:54 AM

4Criminal Code Amendment (Deepfake Sexual Material) Bill 2024

Mr Dreyfus (Attorney-General), pursuant to notice, presented a Bill for an Act to amend the Criminal Code Act 1995, and for related purposes.

Document

Mr Dreyfus presented an explanatory memorandum to the bill.

Bill read a first time.

- 9:10:17 AM

Mr Dreyfus moved—That the bill be now read a second time.

- 9:13:23 AM

Debate adjourned (Mr Taylor), and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for the next sitting.

- 9:13:47 AM

5Treasury Laws Amendment (Responsible Buy Now Pay Later and Other Measures) Bill 2024

Mr Jones (Assistant Treasurer), pursuant to notice, presented a Bill for an Act to amend the law relating to taxation, consumer credit, the Medicare levy and federal financial relations, and for related purposes.

- 9:14:33 AM

Document

Mr Jones presented an explanatory memorandum to the bill and the Capital Works (Build to Rent Misuse Tax) Bill 2024.

Bill read a first time.

- 9:14:40 AM

Mr Jones moved—That the bill be now read a second time.

- 9:29:04 AM

Debate adjourned (Mr Taylor), and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for the next sitting.

- 9:29:46 AM

6Capital Works (Build to Rent Misuse Tax) Bill 2024

Mr Jones (Assistant Treasurer) presented a Bill for an Act to impose tax on certain build to rent developments, and for related purposes.

Bill read a first time.

- 9:29:52 AM

Mr Jones moved—That the bill be now read a second time.

- 9:30:35 AM

Debate adjourned (Mr Taylor), and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for the next sitting.

- 9:31:13 AM

7National Disability Insurance Scheme Amendment (Getting the NDIS Back on Track No. 1) Bill 2024

The order of the day having been read for the resumption of the debate on the question—That the bill be now read a second time—And on the amendment moved thereto by Mr Sukkar, viz.—That all words after “That” be omitted with a view to substituting the following words:

“whilst not declining to give the bill a second reading, the House:

(1)notes:

(a)the NDIS is supporting the lives of more than 660,000 Australians;

(b)the Coalition’s strong record of support for the NDIS;

(c)the former Labor Government grossly mismanaged the establishment of the scheme, including the federal/state responsibilities;

(d)the former Coalition Government recognised the financial pressures facing the NDIS and was committed to working with state and territory governments to address those pressures to ensure the future of the scheme;

(e)ahead of the 2022 election, Labor claimed the scheme was sustainable and ran a shameful scaremongering campaign that the NDIS was at risk and plans were to be cut; and

(f)following the election, the Government finally acknowledged the scheme is unsustainable after opposing the Coalition’s attempts to put the scheme on a sustainable footing; and

(2)calls on the Government to:

(a)release the modelling that underpins the NDIS Financial Stability Framework and the cost savings to be made by this legislation; and

(b)provide a detailed outline of the inevitable cuts that participants should expect as a result of these changes”—

Debate resumed.

Mr Georganas, 9:31:30 AM. Ms Spender, 9:44:46 AM. Ms Lawrence, 9:52:59 AM. Mr Wallace, 10:02:45 AM. Dr Mulino, 10:17:57 AM. Mr Chester, 10:32:49 AM. Ms Miller-Frost, 10:47:53 AM. Mr Chandler-Mather, 11:02:03 AM. Mr Zappia, 11:08:35 AM. Ms Sharkie, 11:21:04 AM. Ms Steggall, 11:31:03 AM. Mr Gee, 11:45:10 AM.

- 11:49:10 AM

Document

Mr Shorten (Minister for Government Services) presented a correction to the explanatory memorandum to the bill.

Mr Shorten, 11:49:13 AM.

- 12:03:49 PM

Question—That the amendment be agreed to—put.

- 12:04:13 PM

Division 382

The House divided (the Speaker, Mr Dick, in the Chair)—

AYES, 57

Mrs Andrews	Mr Goodenough	Mrs Marino	Mr Taylor
Mrs Archer	Mr Hamilton	Mr Ted O’Brien	Mr Tehan
Ms Bell	Mr Hastie	Mr L O’Brien	Mr Thompson
Mr Boyce	Mr Hawke	Mr Pasin	Ms Tink
Mr Broadbent	Mr Hogan	Mr Pearce	Mr van Manen
Mr Buchholz	Mr Howarth	Mr Pike	Mr Vasta
Mr Caldwell	Mr Kennedy	Mr Pitt	Mr Violi
Mr Chester	Ms Landry	Ms Price	Mr Wallace
Mr Coleman	Mr Leeser	Mr Ramsey*	Ms Ware
Mr Conaghan	Ms Ley	Dr Scamps	Dr Webster
Mr Coulton*	Mr Littleproud	Ms Spender	Mr Willcox
Mr Dutton	Mr McCormack	Ms Steggall	Mr R Wilson
Mr Entsch	Mrs McIntosh	Mr Stevens	Mr Wolahan
Mr Fletcher	Ms McKenzie	Mr Sukkar	Mr Young
Dr Gillespie

NOES, 82

Mr Albanese	Mr Conroy	Mr Laxale	Ms Rishworth
Dr Aly	Ms Daniel	Ms Le	Ms Roberts
Dr Ananda-Rajah	Ms Doyle	Dr Leigh	Ms Rowland
Mr Bandt	Mr Dreyfus	Mr Lim	Ms J Ryan
Mr Bates	Mrs Elliot	Ms McBain	Ms Scrymgour
Ms Belyea	Ms Fernando	Ms McBride	Mr Shorten
Mr Bowen	Dr Freelander	Mr Marles	Ms Sitou
Mr Burke	Dr Garland	Ms Mascarenhas	Mr Smith*
Mr Burnell	Mr Georganas	Ms Miller-Frost	Ms Stanley*
Ms Burney	Mr Giles	Mr B Mitchell	Ms Swanson
Mr Burns	Mr Gorman	Mr R Mitchell	Ms Templeman
Ms Byrnes	Mr Gosling	Dr Mulino	Mr Thistlethwaite
Dr Chalmers	Dr Haines	Mr Neumann	Ms Thwaites
Mr Chandler-Mather	Mr Hill	Mr O’Connor	Ms Vamvakinou
Ms Chaney	Mr Jones	Ms O’Neil	Ms Watson-Brown
Dr Charlton	Ms Kearney	Ms Payne	Mr Watts
Ms Chesters	Mr Keogh	Mr Perrett	Ms Wells
Mr Clare	Mr Khalil	Ms Plibersek	Mr Wilkie
Ms Claydon	Ms C King	Mr Rae	Mr J Wilson
Ms Coker	Ms M. M. H. King	Dr Reid	Mr Zappia
Ms Collins	Ms Lawrence

* Tellers

And so it was negatived.

- 12:11:50 PM

Question—That the bill be now read a second time—put and passed—bill read a second time.

- 12:11:56 PM

Consideration in detail

Bill, by leave, taken as a whole.

- 12:12:13 PM

Document

Mr Shorten (Minister for Government Services) presented two supplementary explanatory memoranda to the bill.

- 12:12:30 PM

On the motion of Mr Shorten (Minister for Government Services), by leave, Government amendments (1) to (8) on sheet PA110 and Government amendments (1) to (21) on sheet SK113 were made together, after debate.

Mr Bates, 12:13:56 PM. Mr Shorten, 12:14:47 PM.

- 12:18:33 PM

Ms Chaney, by leave, moved amendments (2), (4), (5), (6) and (9) to (13) together.

- 12:23:23 PM

Debate ensued.

Mr Shorten, 12:23:28 PM. Mr Bates, 12:29:27 PM.

- 12:30:05 PM

Question—That the amendments be agreed to—put.

- 12:30:11 PM

Division 383

The House divided (the Speaker, Mr Dick, in the Chair)—

AYES, 14

Mr Bandt	Ms Daniel	Dr Scamps	Ms Tink
Mr Bates*	Mr Gee	Ms Spender	Ms Watson-Brown
Mr Chandler-Mather	Dr Haines	Ms Steggall	Mr Wilkie
Ms Chaney*	Ms Le

NOES, 34

Ms Belyea	Dr Garland	Ms Miller-Frost	Ms Stanley*
Mr Burnell	Mr Georganas	Mr R Mitchell	Mr Sukkar
Ms Byrnes	Mr Gosling	Dr Reid	Ms Templeman
Ms Chesters	Ms Kearney	Ms J Ryan	Mr Thistlethwaite
Ms Claydon	Mr Khalil	Ms Scrymgour	Ms Thwaites
Ms Doyle	Dr Leigh	Mr Shorten	Ms Vamvakinou
Mrs Elliot	Mr Lim	Ms Sitou	Dr Webster
Mr Entsch	Ms McBride	Mr Smith*	Mr Zappia
Ms Fernando	Ms Mascarenhas

* Tellers

And so it was negatived.

- 12:37:08 PM

Ms Chaney moved amendment (1).

- 12:38:11 PM

Debate ensued.

Mr Shorten, 12:38:17 PM.

- 12:42:01 PM

Question—put and passed.

- 12:42:23 PM

Bill, as amended, agreed to.

Consideration in detail concluded.

- 12:42:32 PM

On the motion of Mr Shorten (Minister for Government Services), by leave, the bill was read a third time.

- 12:43:20 PM

8 Health Insurance Legislation Amendment (Assignment of Medicare Benefits) Bill 2024

The order of the day having been read for the resumption of the debate on the question—That the bill be now read a second time—

Debate resumed.

Ms Stanley, 12:43:36 PM. Mr Stevens, 12:48:27 PM. Dr Freelander, 12:55:33 PM. Mr McCormack, 1:09:45 PM.

- 1:24:45 PM

Mr Perrett addressing the House—

- 1:30:04 PM

It being 1.30 pm, the debate was interrupted in accordance with standing order 43, Mr Perrett was granted leave to continue his speech when the debate is resumed, and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for a later hour this day.

- 1:30:21 PM

9MEMBERS’ STATEMENTS

Members’ statements were made.

Mr Coulton, 1:30:28 PM. Ms Fernando, 1:31:48 PM. Mr Thompson, 1:33:16 PM. Dr Reid, 1:34:41 PM. Ms Chaney, 1:36:04 PM. Mr Gosling, 1:37:36 PM. Mr Gee, 1:39:10 PM. Ms Roberts, 1:40:43 PM. Mr Young, 1:42:19 PM. Mr Smith, 1:43:47 PM. Mr Vasta, 1:45:04 PM. Mr Neumann, 1:46:37 PM. Mr Violi, 1:48:11 PM. Dr Freelander, 1:49:44 PM. Mr Wallace, 1:51:18 PM. Mr Burnell, 1:52:54 PM. Ms Ware, 1:54:27 PM. Mr Burns, 1:56:03 PM. Dr Webster, 1:57:28 PM. Ms Thwaites, 1:58:56 PM.

- 2:00:35 PM

10QUESTIONS

- 2:00:38 PM

(1)Mr Taylor to Dr Chalmers (Treasurer)

- 2:03:49 PM

Mr Albanese (Prime Minister), by indulgence, made a statement on the visit from the President of Nauru.

- 2:05:00 PM

Mr Dutton, by indulgence, associated the Coalition with the previous statement.

- 2:05:28 PM

(2)Ms Sitou to Dr Chalmers (Treasurer)

- 2:08:44 PM

(3)Mr Willcox to Dr Chalmers (Treasurer)

Point of order, Mr Taylor. 2:11:08 PM. Point of order, Mr Burke. 2:11:31 PM. Dr Chalmers, 2:12:02 PM. Point of order, Mr Howarth. 2:13:47 PM.

- 2:15:51 PM

(4)Mr Laxale to Ms Collins (Minister for Housing)

- 2:19:08 PM

Distinguished visitor announced.

- 2:19:55 PM

(5)Dr Scamps to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

- 2:25:35 PM

Mr Dutton, by indulgence, associated the Coalition with the previous answer.

- 2:32:48 PM

Mr Bandt, by indulgence, made a statement on the same matter.

- 2:34:02 PM

(6)Ms Thwaites to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

- 2:37:14 PM

(7)Mr Hastie to Mr Keogh (Minister for Defence Personnel)

Point of order, Mr Dutton. 2:39:44 PM. Mr Keogh, 2:40:26 PM.

- 2:41:54 PM

(8)Mr Burnell to Mr Butler (Minister for Health and Aged Care)

- 2:45:14 PM

(9)Ms Ley to Mr Butler (Minister for Health and Aged Care)

Point of order, Mr Fletcher. 2:46:01 PM. Mr Butler, 2:46:29 PM. Point of order, Ms Ley. 2:47:20 PM. Mr Butler, 2:48:04 PM. Point of order, Ms Ley. 2:49:07 PM. Mr Butler, 2:49:51 PM.

- 2:51:06 PM

(10)Dr Ananda-Rajah to Mr Bowen (Minister for Climate Change and Energy)

- 2:54:44 PM

(11)Mr Ted O’Brien to Mr Bowen (Minister for Climate Change and Energy)

- 2:57:18 PM

(12)Ms Roberts to Ms Rowland (Minister for Communications)

- 3:01:21 PM

Mr Dutton, by indulgence, associated the Coalition with the previous answer.

- 3:01:51 PM

(13)Ms Chaney to Dr Chalmers (Treasurer)

- 3:03:11 PM

(14)Ms Claydon to Mr Dreyfus (Attorney-General)

- 3:05:46 PM

(15)Mr Sukkar to Mr Shorten (Minister for Government Services)

- 3:09:50 PM

(16)Mr Khalil to Ms Rishworth (Minister for Social Services)

- 3:13:09 PM

(17)Ms Sharkie to Mr Butler (Minister for Health and Aged Care)

- 3:14:14 PM

(18)Ms Byrnes to Mr Burke (Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations)

- 3:18:03 PM

11Members directed to leave the Chamber

Mr Bandt making a personal explanation—

Point of order, Mr Butler. 3:18:54 PM. Mr Bandt, 3:19:21 PM.

- 3:19:49 PM

Member directed to leave

At 3.19 pm the Member for Canberra (Ms Payne) was directed, under standing order 94, to leave the Chamber for one hour for interjecting and she accordingly left the Chamber.

Mr Bandt, 3:20:26 PM.

- 3:20:55 PM

Member directed to leave

At 3.20 pm the Member for Isaacs (Mr Dreyfus) was directed, under standing order 94, to leave the Chamber for one hour for interjecting and he accordingly left the Chamber.

Mr Bandt, 3:21:20 PM. Point of order, Mr Chandler-Mather. 3:21:39 PM. Point of order, Mr Tehan. 3:21:59 PM. Mr Bandt, 3:22:24 PM.

- 3:23:00 PM

12SUSPENSION OF STANDING AND SESSIONAL ORDERS MOVED

Mr Bandt moved—That so much of the standing and sessional orders be suspended as would prevent the Member for Melbourne from moving the following motion: That the House:

(1)notes:

(a)the State of Israel has signed a $3 billion contract with the United States for a further 25 F-35 fighter aircraft;

(b)Australia plays a significant role in the F-35 fighter aircraft global supply chain with a range of components manufactured here in Australia, including the sole manufacturing of F-35 fighter aircraft’s uplock actuator system, which allows the F-35 to drop its payload; and

(c)the F-35 fighter aircraft are being used to bomb the people of Gaza; and

(2)calls on the Government to immediately end all direct and indirect trade of military equipment with the State of Israel, including the provision of critical components of the F-35 fighter jet supply chain.

- 3:24:31 PM

Closure of Member

Mr Butler (Deputy Leader of the House) moved—That the Member be no longer heard.

Question—put.

- 3:24:41 PM

Division 384

The House divided (the Speaker, Mr Dick, in the Chair)—

AYES, 92

Dr Ananda-Rajah	Mr Fletcher	Mr McCormack	Ms Sharkie
Mrs Andrews	Dr Freelander	Mrs McIntosh	Mr Shorten
Mrs Archer	Mr Georganas	Ms McKenzie	Mr Smith*
Ms Bell	Mr Giles	Mrs Marino	Mr Stevens
Ms Belyea	Dr Gillespie	Ms Mascarenhas	Mr Sukkar
Mr Bowen	Mr Gorman	Ms Miller-Frost	Ms Swanson
Mr Boyce	Mr Hamilton	Mr B Mitchell	Mr Taylor
Mr Buchholz	Mr Hastie	Mr R Mitchell	Mr Tehan
Mr Burnell	Mr Hawke	Mr Neumann	Mr Thompson
Mr Burns	Mr Hogan	Mr Ted O’Brien	Ms Thwaites
Mr Butler	Mr Howarth	Mr L O’Brien	Mr van Manen
Ms Byrnes	Mr Jones	Mr Pasin	Mr Vasta
Mr Caldwell	Mr Kennedy	Mr Pearce	Mr Violi
Mr Chester	Mr Khalil	Mr Pike	Mr Wallace
Ms Chesters	Ms C King	Mr Pitt	Ms Ware
Ms Claydon	Ms M. M. H. King	Mr Rae	Mr Watts
Mr Coleman	Ms Landry	Mr Ramsey*	Dr Webster
Ms Collins	Ms Lawrence	Dr Reid	Ms Wells
Mr Conaghan	Mr Leeser	Ms Rishworth	Mr Willcox
Mr Conroy	Dr Leigh	Ms Roberts	Mr J Wilson
Ms Doyle	Mr Littleproud	Ms Rowland	Mr R Wilson
Mrs Elliot	Ms McBain	Ms J Ryan	Mr Wolahan
Mr Entsch	Ms McBride	Ms Scrymgour	Mr Young

NOES, 5

Mr Bandt	Mr Chandler-Mather	Dr Haines	Ms Watson-Brown*
Mr Bates*

* Tellers

And so it was resolved in the affirmative.

- 3:36:20 PM

Mr Chandler-Mather (seconder) addressing the House—

- 3:37:00 PM

Closure of Member

Mr Butler moved—That the Member be no longer heard.

Question—put.

- 3:37:02 PM

Division 385

The House divided (the Speaker, Mr Dick, in the Chair)—

AYES, 83

Dr Ananda-Rajah	Mr Fletcher	Mr McCormack	Ms Scrymgour
Mrs Andrews	Dr Freelander	Mrs McIntosh	Ms Sharkie
Mrs Archer	Mr Georganas	Ms McKenzie	Mr Smith*
Ms Bell	Mr Giles	Mrs Marino	Mr Stevens
Ms Belyea	Dr Gillespie	Ms Mascarenhas	Mr Sukkar
Mr Bowen	Mr Hamilton	Ms Miller-Frost	Ms Swanson
Mr Boyce	Mr Hastie	Mr B Mitchell	Mr Taylor
Mr Buchholz	Mr Hawke	Mr R Mitchell	Mr Thompson
Mr Burnell	Mr Hogan	Mr Neumann	Ms Thwaites
Mr Burns	Mr Howarth	Mr Ted O’Brien	Mr van Manen
Mr Butler	Mr Jones	Mr L O’Brien	Mr Vasta
Ms Byrnes	Mr Kennedy	Mr Pasin	Mr Violi
Mr Caldwell	Mr Khalil	Mr Pearce	Ms Ware
Ms Chesters	Ms C King	Mr Pike	Mr Watts
Ms Claydon	Ms M. M. H. King	Mr Pitt	Dr Webster
Mr Coleman	Ms Landry	Ms Price	Ms Wells
Ms Collins	Ms Lawrence	Mr Rae	Mr Willcox
Mr Conaghan	Mr Leeser	Mr Ramsey*	Mr J Wilson
Ms Doyle	Dr Leigh	Dr Reid	Mr R Wilson
Mrs Elliot	Ms McBain	Ms Roberts	Mr Young
Mr Entsch	Ms McBride	Ms Rowland

NOES, 6

Mr Bandt	Mr Chandler-Mather	Ms Tink	Ms Watson-Brown*
Mr Bates*	Dr Haines

* Tellers

And so it was resolved in the affirmative.

- 3:45:12 PM

Debate ensued.

Mr Burke, 3:45:17 PM.

- 3:47:10 PM

Mr Burke (Leader of the House), by leave, moved—That the debate be adjourned.

- 3:47:30 PM

Question—put.

- 3:47:16 PM

Division

The House divided and only Mr Bandt, Mr Bates, Mr Chandler-Mather and Ms Watson-Brown voting “No”, the Speaker (Mr Dick) declared the question resolved in the affirmative.

- 3:52:14 PM

Debate adjourned and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for the next sitting.

- 3:52:31 PM

Question to Speaker, Ms Steggall, re the use of Indulgence.

- 3:57:26 PM

Mr Bandt, also sought clarification on the same matter.

- 3:59:03 PM

13DISCUSSION OF MATTER OF PUBLIC IMPORTANCE—Families

The House was informed that Mr Taylor had proposed that a definite matter of public importance be submitted to the House for discussion, namely, “This Government’s incompetence and mismanagement hurting Australian families”.

- 3:59:16 PM

The proposed discussion having received the necessary support—

- 3:59:23 PM

Mr Taylor addressed the House.

- 4:09:20 PM

Discussion ensued.

Mr Jones, 4:09:24 PM. Mrs McIntosh, 4:19:27 PM. Ms Thwaites, 4:24:31 PM. Point of order, Ms Bell. 4:28:58 PM. Mr Stevens, 4:29:45 PM. Mr Rae, 4:34:38 PM. Point of order, Ms Bell. 4:39:33 PM. Mr Violi, 4:39:53 PM. Dr Charlton, 4:44:55 PM. Mr Wolahan, 4:49:59 PM. Ms Payne, 4:55:12 PM.

- 5:00:17 PM

Discussion concluded.

- 5:00:24 PM

14 Health Insurance Legislation Amendment (Assignment of Medicare Benefits) Bill 2024

The order of the day having been read for the resumption of the debate on the question—That the bill be now read a second time—

Debate resumed.

Mr Perrett, 5:00:37 PM.

- 5:05:05 PM

Question—put and passed—bill read a second time.

- 5:05:24 PM

Message from the Governor-General

Message No. 175, 27 May 2024, from His Excellency the Governor-General was announced recommending an appropriation for the purposes of the bill.

- 5:05:41 PM

Leave granted for third reading to be moved immediately.

On the motion of Mr Jones (Assistant Treasurer), the bill was read a third time.

- 5:06:23 PM

15 Social Services and Other Legislation Amendment (More Support in the Safety Net) Bill 2024

The order of the day having been read for the resumption of the debate on the question—That the bill be now read a second time—

Debate resumed.

Mr Hill, 5:06:28 PM. Ms Spender, 5:15:14 PM. Mr B Mitchell, 5:19:17 PM. Mr Pike, 5:28:24 PM. Dr Garland, 5:40:59 PM. Mr Stevens, 5:52:13 PM. Mr Neumann, 5:56:53 PM. Ms Tink, 6:08:20 PM.

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