Parliament of Australia

Draft Minutes

No. 122

Thursday, 30 May 2024

- 9:00:31 AM

1The House met, at 9 am, pursuant to adjournment. The Speaker (the Honourable M. Dick) took the Chair, made an acknowledgement of country and read Prayers.

- 9:01:28 AM

2Execution of Search Warrants in relation to parliamentary privilege—STATEMENT BY SPEAKER—DOCUMENTS

The Speaker made a statement relating to Australian Federal Police investigations where parliamentary privilege may apply and presented the following documents:

- 9:03:45 AM

Memorandum of understanding on the execution of search warrants and use of covert investigative powers where parliamentary privilege may apply between the Attorney-General, the President of the Senate, and the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

- 9:03:47 AM

National guideline on investigations where parliamentary privilege may be involved—AFP.

- 9:04:18 AM

3Initial priority facilities and infrastructure works for the Submarine Rotational Force-West at HMAS Stirling, WA—APPROVAL OF WORK

Dr Leigh (Assistant Minister for Competition, Charities and Treasury), pursuant to notice, moved—That, in accordance with the provisions of the Public Works Committee Act 1969, and by reason of the urgent nature of the work, it is expedient that the following proposed work be carried out without having been referred to the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Public Works: Initial priority facilities and infrastructure works for the Submarine Rotational Force-West at HMAS Stirling, Western Australia.

- 9:07:12 AM

Question—put and passed.

- 9:07:25 AM

4Export Control Amendment (Ending Live Sheep Exports by Sea) Bill 2024

Ms C King (Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government), pursuant to notice, presented a Bill for an Act to amend the Export Control Act 2020, and for related purposes.

Document

Ms C King presented an explanatory memorandum to the bill.

Bill read a first time.

- 9:07:54 AM

Ms C King moved—That the bill be now read a second time.

- 9:15:17 AM

Debate adjourned (Mr McCormack), and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for the next sitting.

- 9:15:57 AM

5Export Control Amendment (Ending Live Sheep Exports by Sea) Bill 2024—Proposed reference to committee

Mr Littleproud (Leader of The Nationals) moved—That the Export Control Amendment (Ending Live Sheep Exports by Sea) Bill 2024 be referred to the Standing committee on Agriculture for consideration and an advisory report by 8 October 2024.

- 9:31:24 AM

Question—put.

Mr R Wilson (Seconder), 9:31:00 PM.

- 9:31:44 AM

Division 373

The House divided (the Speaker, Mr Dick, in the Chair)—

AYES, 55

Mrs Andrews	Mr Gee	Mr Littleproud	Mr Sukkar
Mrs Archer	Dr Gillespie	Mr McCormack	Mr Taylor
Ms Bell	Mr Goodenough	Mrs McIntosh	Mr Tehan
Mr Boyce	Dr Haines	Ms McKenzie	Mr Thompson
Mr Broadbent	Mr Hamilton	Mrs Marino	Mr Vasta
Mr Buchholz	Mr Hastie	Mr Ted O’Brien	Mr Violi
Mr Caldwell	Mr Hogan	Mr L O’Brien	Mr Wallace
Ms Chaney	Mr Howarth	Mr Pasin	Ms Ware
Mr Chester	Mr Joyce	Mr Pearce	Mr Willcox
Mr Coleman	Mr Katter	Mr Pike	Mr R Wilson
Mr Conaghan	Mr Kennedy	Mr Pitt	Mr Wolahan
Mr Coulton*	Ms Landry	Ms Price	Mr Wood
Mr Entsch	Mr Leeser	Mr Ramsey*	Mr Young
Mr Fletcher	Ms Ley	Mr Stevens

NOES, 82

Mr Albanese	Ms Doyle	Ms McBain	Dr M Ryan
Dr Aly	Mr Dreyfus	Ms McBride	Dr Scamps
Dr Ananda-Rajah	Mrs Elliot	Mr Marles	Ms Scrymgour
Mr Bandt	Ms Fernando	Ms Mascarenhas	Mr Shorten
Mr Bates	Dr Freelander	Mr B Mitchell	Ms Sitou
Mr Bowen	Dr Garland	Mr R Mitchell	Mr Smith*
Mr Burke	Mr Georganas	Dr Mulino	Ms Spender
Mr Burnell	Mr Giles	Mr Neumann	Ms Stanley*
Ms Burney	Mr Gorman	Mr O’Connor	Ms Swanson
Mr Burns	Mr Gosling	Ms O’Neil	Ms Templeman
Ms Byrnes	Mr Hill	Ms Payne	Mr Thistlethwaite
Dr Chalmers	Mr Husic	Mr Perrett	Ms Thwaites
Mr Chandler-Mather	Mr Jones	Mrs Phillips	Ms Tink
Dr Charlton	Ms Kearney	Ms Plibersek	Ms Vamvakinou
Ms Chesters	Mr Keogh	Mr Rae	Ms Watson-Brown
Mr Clare	Ms C King	Dr Reid	Mr Watts
Ms Claydon	Ms M. M. H. King	Ms Rishworth	Ms Wells
Ms Coker	Ms Lawrence	Ms Roberts	Mr Wilkie
Ms Collins	Mr Laxale	Ms Rowland	Mr J Wilson
Mr Conroy	Dr Leigh	Ms J Ryan	Mr Zappia
Ms Daniel	Mr Lim

* Tellers

And so it was negatived.

Mr R Wilson (Seconder), 9:31:00 AM.

- 9:41:02 AM

6Defence Amendment (Parliamentary Joint Committee on Defence) Bill 2024

Mr Thistlethwaite (Assistant Minister for Defence), pursuant to notice, presented a Bill for an Act to amend the Defence Act 1903, and for related purposes.

Document

Mr Thistlethwaite presented an explanatory memorandum to the bill.

Bill read a first time.

- 9:41:33 AM

Mr Thistlethwaite moved—That the bill be now read a second time.

- 9:52:03 AM

Debate adjourned (Mr McCormack), and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for the next sitting.

- 9:52:24 AM

7Human Rights—Parliamentary Joint Committee—REPORT—STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS—MOTION TO TAKE NOTE OF DOCUMENT—REFERENCE TO FEDERATION CHAMBER

Mr Burns (Chair) presented the following document:

Human Rights—Parliamentary Joint Committee—Inquiry into Australia’s Human Rights Framework—Report, incorporating dissenting reports, May 2024.

In accordance with standing order 39(e) the report was made a Parliamentary Paper.

Mr Burns, 9:52:46 AM. Mr Pike, 10:01:37 AM. Ms Tink, 10:10:19 AM.

- 10:16:45 AM

Mr Burns, Mr Pike and Ms Tink, by leave, made statements in connection with the report.

- 10:16:48 AM

Mr Burns moved—That the House take note of the report.

- 10:16:56 AM

In accordance with standing order 39, the debate was adjourned, and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for the next sitting.

- 10:16:59 AM

Mr Burns moved—That the order of the day be referred to the Federation Chamber for debate.

- 10:17:03 AM

Question—put and passed.

- 10:17:29 AM

8 National Disability Insurance Scheme Amendment (Getting the NDIS Back on Track No. 1) Bill 2024

The order of the day having been read for the resumption of the debate on the question—That the bill be now read a second time—

Mr Sukkar, 10:17:39 AM.

- 10:18:29 AM

Debate resumed by Mr Sukkar who moved, as an amendment—That all words after “That” be omitted with a view to substituting the following words:
“whilst not declining to give the bill a second reading, the House:

(1)notes:

(a)the NDIS is supporting the lives of more than 660,000 Australians;

(b)the Coalition’s strong record of support for the NDIS;

(c)the former Labor Government grossly mismanaged the establishment of the scheme, including the federal/state responsibilities;

(d)the former Coalition Government recognised the financial pressures facing the NDIS and was committed to working with state and territory governments to address those pressures to ensure the future of the scheme;

(e)ahead of the 2022 election, Labor claimed the scheme was sustainable and ran a shameful scaremongering campaign that the NDIS was at risk and plans were to be cut; and

(f)following the election, the Government finally acknowledged the scheme is unsustainable after opposing the Coalition’s attempts to put the scheme on a sustainable footing; and

(2)calls on the Government to:

(a)release the modelling that underpins the NDIS Financial Stability Framework and the cost savings to be made by this legislation; and

(b)provide a detailed outline of the inevitable cuts that participants should expect as a result of these changes”.

Debate ensued.

Mr Perrett, 10:48:05 AM. Dr M Ryan, 11:03:06 AM. Dr Ananda-Rajah, 11:17:01 AM. Mr Conaghan, 11:25:27 AM. Ms Thwaites, 11:39:30 AM. Mr McCormack, 11:52:40 AM. Mr Neumann, 12:07:51 PM. Ms Watson-Brown, 12:23:02 PM. Ms Coker, 12:31:40 PM. Ms Daniel, 12:39:54 PM. Ms Mascarenhas, 12:53:26 PM. Dr Gillespie, 1:02:56 PM. Ms Roberts, 1:12:22 PM.

- 1:23:56 PM

Mr Bates addressing the House—

- 1:30:16 PM

It being 1.30 pm, the debate was interrupted in accordance with standing order 43, Mr Bates was granted leave to continue his speech when the debate is resumed, and the resumption of the debate made an order of the day for a later hour this day.

- 1:30:33 PM

9MEMBERS’ STATEMENTS

Members’ statements being made—

Mr Hawke, 1:30:47 PM.

- 1:31:20 PM

Petitions

Mr Hawke presented the following petitions approved by the Standing Committee on Petitions:

Make MND a notifiable disease—7,235 and 6,610 petitioners.

- 1:31:30 PM

Members’ statements continued.

Ms Byrnes, 1:32:03 PM. Mr Hogan, 1:33:34 PM. Ms Payne, 1:34:50 PM. Mr Bates, 1:36:24 PM. Ms Sitou, 1:37:51 PM. Dr Haines, 1:39:27 PM. Dr Reid, 1:40:47 PM. Mr Howarth, 1:42:22 PM. Ms Fernando, 1:43:54 PM. Mr Joyce, 1:45:18 PM. Mr Burnell, 1:46:50 PM. Mr Kennedy, 1:48:23 PM. Dr Ananda-Rajah, 1:50:16 PM. Ms Landry, 1:51:51 PM. Mr Smith, 1:53:05 PM. Mr Leeser, 1:54:15 PM. Mr Perrett, 1:55:48 PM. Ms Ley, 1:57:23 PM. Mr Laxale, 1:59:01 PM.

- 2:01:03 PM

10QUESTIONS

- 2:01:07 PM

(1)Mr Tehan to Mr Giles (Minister for Immigration, Citizenship and Multicultural Affairs)

- 2:02:12 PM

(2)Dr Charlton to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

- 2:05:38 PM

(3)Mr Dutton to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

Point of order, Mr Dutton. 2:07:07 PM. Point of order, Mr Burke. 2:07:31 PM. Mr Albanese, 2:08:00 PM. Point of order, Ms Ley. 2:10:21 PM. Mr Albanese, 2:10:56 PM.

- 2:11:32 PM

Distinguished visitor announced.

- 2:12:10 PM

(4)Mr Georganas to Ms Rishworth (Minister for Social Services)

- 2:15:38 PM

(5)Mr Bates to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

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(6)Dr Reid to Dr Chalmers (Treasurer)

Point of order, Mr Fletcher. 2:19:19 PM. Point of order, Mr Burke. 2:20:22 PM. Dr Chalmers, 2:21:17 PM.

- 2:21:50 PM

(7)Ms Ley to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

Point of order, Mr Dutton. 2:23:20 PM. Mr Albanese, 2:25:19 PM.

- 2:26:09 PM

(8)Mrs Phillips to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

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(9)Mr Hogan to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

Point of order, Mr Dutton. 2:30:15 PM. Point of order, Mr Burke. 2:30:30 PM. Point of order, Mr Dutton. 2:30:55 PM. Mr Albanese, 2:32:05 PM.

- 2:32:36 PM

(10)Dr Mulino to Ms Collins (Minister for Housing)

- 2:36:00 PM

(11)Ms Landry to Mr Giles (Minister for Immigration, Citizenship and Multicultural Affairs)

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(12)Ms Thwaites to Ms Rowland (Minister for Communications)

- 2:40:25 PM

Distinguished visitor announced.

- 2:40:30 PM

(13)Ms Le to Mr Clare (Minister for Education)

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(14)Dr Garland to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

- 2:44:41 PM

Member directed to leave

At 2.45 pm the Member for Fisher (Mr Wallace) was directed, under standing order 94, to leave the Chamber for one hour for interjecting and he accordingly left the Chamber.

- 2:45:07 PM

Questions without notice continuing—

Mr Albanese, 2:45:18 PM.

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(15)Mr Tehan to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

Point of order, Mr Tehan. 2:47:53 PM. Point of order, Mr Burke. 2:48:14 PM. Mr Albanese, 2:48:40 PM.

- 2:50:02 PM

(16)Mr Burns to Mr Bowen (Minister for Climate Change and Energy)

- 2:53:27 PM

(17)Ms Steggall to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

- 2:58:54 PM

(18)Ms Coker to Mr Shorten (Minister for the National Disability Insurance Scheme)

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(19)Mr Tehan to Mr Albanese (Prime Minister)

Point of order, Mr Tehan. 3:04:13 PM. Mr Albanese, 3:04:57 PM.

- 3:05:24 PM

Member directed to leave

At 3.05 pm the Member for Moreton (Mr Perrett) was directed, under standing order 94, to leave the Chamber for one hour for interjecting and he accordingly left the Chamber.

- 3:05:49 PM

Questions without notice continued.

Mr Albanese, 3:05:57 PM.

- 3:06:25 PM

(20)Ms Doyle to Dr Aly (Minister for Early Childhood Education)

- 3:10:30 PM

Question to Speaker, Ms Spender, re asking questions during Question Time.

- 3:12:34 PM

11Auditor-General’s Reports

The Speaker presented the following documents:

Auditor-General—Audit reports of 2023-2024—Performance audits—

No. 32—Australian Institute for Teaching and School Leadership's administration of national standards and frameworks: Australian Institute for Teaching and School Leadership.

No. 33—Compliance with corporate credit card requirements in the National Disability Insurance Agency: National Disability Insurance Agency.

The documents were made Parliamentary Papers.

- 3:13:03 PM

12DOCUMENTS

The following documents were presented:

*Crimes Act 1914—Controlled operations—Report for 2022-23.

Infrastructure, Transport and Cities—Standing Committee—Smart ICT: Report on the inquiry into the role of smart ICT in the design and planning of infrastructure—Government response, May 2024.

National Capital and External Territories—Joint Standing Committee—

Interim report: Inquiry into availability and access to enabling communications infrastructure in Australia’s external territories—Government response, May 2024.

Interim report: Inquiry into economic, social and environmental sustainability in the Indian Ocean Territories—Government response, May 2024.

Regional Australia—Select Committee—Pride of place: Inquiry into the future of regional Australia—Government response, May 2024.

*The document was made a Parliamentary Paper.

- 3:13:13 PM

13DOCUMENT

Mr Burke (Leader of the House) presented the following document:

Social Services and Other Legislation Amendment (More Support in the Safety Net) Bill 2024—Replacement explanatory memorandum.

- 3:13:25 PM

14DISCUSSION OF MATTER OF PUBLIC IMPORTANCE—Safety

The House was informed that both Mr Dutton (Leader of the Opposition) and Mr Gosling had proposed definite matters of public importance be submitted to the House for discussion today. In accordance with standing order 46, the Speaker had given priority to the matter proposed by Mr Dutton, namely, “The Prime Minister making Australians less safe and less secure”.

- 3:13:54 PM

The proposed discussion having received the necessary support—

- 3:14:04 PM

Mr Dutton addressed the House.

- 3:24:17 PM

Discussion ensued.

Ms O’Neil, 3:24:19 PM. Mr Tehan, 3:34:14 PM. Ms J Ryan, 3:39:18 PM. Ms Bell, 3:44:19 PM. Dr Mulino, 3:49:15 PM. Ms Landry, 3:54:20 PM. Ms Lawrence, 3:58:58 PM. Mrs Marino, 4:04:03 PM. Ms Mascarenhas, 4:09:01 PM.

- 4:14:10 PM

Discussion concluded.

- 4:15:28 PM

15National Disability Insurance Scheme Amendment (Getting the NDIS Back on Track No. 1) Bill 2024

The order of the day having been read for the resumption of the debate on the question—That the bill be now read a second time—And on the amendment moved thereto by Mr Sukkar (see item No. #, page #)—

Debate resumed.

Mr Bates, 4:15:44 PM.

- 4:20:04 PM

Ms Swanson addressing the House—

- 4:30:13 PM

16ADJOURNMENT

It being 4.30 pm—The question was proposed—That the House do now adjourn.

Debate ensued.

Mr Chandler-Mather, 4:30:03 PM. Dr Charlton, 4:35:00 PM. Mr Kennedy, 4:38:42 PM. Mr Burnell, 4:43:11 PM. Mr Wolahan, 4:48:12 PM. Mr Gosling, 4:52:42 PM.

- 4:58:02 PM

At 4.58 pm, debate having concluded, the Speaker adjourned the House until 10 am on Monday, 3 June 2024.

- 4:59:14 PM

DOCUMENTS

The following documents were deemed to have been presented on 30 May 2024 (An explanatory statement has been presented with each instrument unless otherwise indicated by an asterisk):

Civil Aviation Act 1988—Civil Aviation Safety Regulations 1998—Wing Bolt, Nut and Fitting—AD/BEECH 35/67 Amdt 5 [F2024L00584].

Food Standards Australia New Zealand Act 1991—Food Standards (Application A1277—2′-FL from GM Escherichia coli K-12 (gene donor: Helicobacter enhydrae) in infant formula products) Variation [F2024L00587].

- 5:02:10 PM

ATTENDANCE

All Members attended (at some time during the sitting) except Ms Belyea, Mr Birrell, Mr Butler, Mr Khalil, Ms Miller-Frost, Mr Repacholi, Ms Sharkie and Dr Webster.

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